ok- TEAPO vs PC Power & Cooling?

[JEDIYoda]

PC-Power and Cooling, which I have learned are made by Win-Tact, use almost exclusively Teapo-brand caps - you will doubtless have noticed this in the various 'reviews' out there of their Turbocool 510 and 850/1kw series. While not absolute trash like Chhsi and the like, Teapo's record as far as reliability is concerned falls generally short of stellar.

While if you search through this forum you'll find a number of documented Teapo failures, admittedly none specifically involve Turbocool PSUs - then again, this may be more a consequence of the relative rarity of PCP+C's products rather than a manifestation of Teapo's reliability.

Before I get going. let me say I am not trying to cause an argument or downplay what some would call an obvious issue.

Now follow my thinking..
We have TEAPO Cap`s in one corner.
We have PC Power & Cooling in the other corner.
Do we count PC Power & Cooling out because they supposedly use TEAPO Cap`s?

Or do we count TEAPO Cap`s out because well they are TEAPO and not as well made as a few other CAP manufacturers?

My point being ;for example --say all of a sudden there is a rash of Cap failures from several different brands. None of the brands are PC Power & Cooling. Yet because PC Power and Cooling uses TEAPO Caps do we penalize PC Power & Cooling along with those other brands?

What sets PC Power & Cooling apart then if for some reason they are NOT plagues by TEAPO Caps?

People use the bogus argument that well other brands sell alot more PSU`s than PC Power & Cooling and thats the reason we hear more about other brands having Cap issues.
PC Power & Cooling also has industrial clients..

I am going out on a limb here when I say this but percentage wise (not volume wise) PC Power & Cooling just doesn`t have Cap issues.

So somebody is going to go find 5 or 6 posts where the person says the PC Power & Cooling PSU sucked...yet I find it hard to believe that even people in these forums have said we have no idea why PC Power & Cooling PSU`s literally have no Cap issues.

So again I ask....do we penalize PC Power & Cooling for using TEAPO Caps?
Or do we say - Quality and reliabilty wise PC Power & Cooling holds there own?

What I find interesting is the way the author of this stated -

you will doubtless have noticed this in the various 'reviews' out there of their Turbocool 510 and 850/1kw series. While not absolute trash like Chhsi and the like, Teapo's record as far as reliability is concerned falls generally short of stellar.

Well then explain to me how a company like PC Power & Cooling has built a reputation for reliability and quality when they are using TEAPO Caps?

Let me say in closing that I understand there are some top quality brands on the market...Zippy is the main one that comes to mind!!!

Any comments or discussions... thx

[gonzo0815]

Re: ok- TEAPO vs PC Power & Cooling?

If you are using poor caps like teapo or Fyhiu like Enermax, you can desing the circuit in a way, that this will not stress the caps to far. I suppose that this is one reason, Enemrax put this silly 92mm fan on its psu`s. tehy only are cooling the caps with that. A other possibilty is to use an active PFC desing, which can reduce ouput rupple drasticaly. So you can either desing a PSu with very few high quality caps, or you can use some more of e.g teapo or worser. witouth problems.

But in any way, tho have a good reputation, you don`t have to sell good stuff. Comparing the quality of antec, and their reputatuion you are knowing, that marketing and spending some units for usual low tech and short time reviews on any hw site will do the thrick.

[linuxguru]

Re: ok- TEAPO vs PC Power & Cooling?

You can always design the circuit to use high-ESR caps - you just have to use lots of them in parallel. Similarly, you can use 85c caps if you're careful with the layout and ensure that sufficient airflow cools the caps. Back in the 70s and 80s, this was the only way to do it - compact, low-Z, high ripple-current, 105c capacitors were an expensive rarity. The only reason those design techniques can't be used as effectively today is that there isn't much space in present PSU cases, especially if it's going into a 1U or SFF cabinet. It's difficult to fit a bank of half-dozen caps on each rail today.

[JEDIYoda]

Re: ok- TEAPO vs PC Power & Cooling?

So then I can say that I guess all those who read my thread agree with the way I presented my argument?

Besides that there are scores of people who have had no issues with TEAPO Caps!

Thus just becuase somebody reads about a PSU having CAP problems doesn`t mean that all PSU`s that use TEAPO Caps are bad PSU`s!

Its hard to argue when a company like PC Power & Cooling has a reputation among those of us who use there products for reliability and quality!

I understand this forum is called BADCAPS.net yet sometimes It would appear that as if just like other forums you all have your favorites regardless of repuation or quality or reliability of a PSU manufacturer who uses TEAPO Caps!!

I have fun!!

Again thank you for allowing me to prove my point!