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  • Behemot
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    • Dec 2009
    • 4845
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    Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

    I got this Chieftec (actually Enhance) power supply. It was never used but had broken fan so I swapped it for NMB.

    I also preemptively changed all caps since these craps used are known to die within weeks in Chieftec PSU's. It had lower voltage on 12V rail than it could so I played with one potentiometer little bit and increased the voltage from ~11,7 to ~12,2 V. It was all fine, at least with no load, I am not sure whether I actually tried to power some board with it or not, it's more than week ago.

    But now I tried the Intel D865 PERL I wrote about in other thread. Everything powers up but after some time the PSU starts whistling terribly and later it shuts down automatically. All voltages are still within their values up to that moment. I tried different setups to see if it's not cross-loaded, but still the same result. There is another pot I am not exactly sure for what purpose, tried to play with it for a while but no result.

    I used Samxon RS, Chemi-Con KY and Nichicon PW caps. I tried to keep original values this time, only instead one 0,47 uF cap I used some old 1uF Rubycon or what taken from old display (but I think it has lower capacity after the years). And as always I used only 3300uF caps on main rails even if there were lower ones (1500 or 2200 uF typically). Tried even to blow inside with 12cm fan for the case it was overheating (heatsinks are arround 40-50 °C) but still the same behaviour. Any idea what's wrong?
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  • TheLaw
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    • Jan 2011
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    Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

    Well upgrading the capacitance (and size) could lower the ESR enough that it would not resonate properly with the coils, but I don't think it would shut down. Just bad ripple perhaps. Somehow I think using the exact same capacitances would be better...

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    • Behemot
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      • Dec 2009
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      Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

      Well I usually don't have exact the same capacitance since I take the highest possible (3300 uF for D10). But I could use the ones I have just accidentaly here and just for testing.

      This did not cause any problem for me before, but still, maybe there is some reason why before choke is smaller cap and after it the big one
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      • Behemot
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        Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

        OK I am getting some progress. After efectivelly halving capacitance of two 1uF caps (there were 0,47 uF before, but I thought since these are old, their capacitance is lower) out of three by putting two in series instead of single one, it starts to whistle slightly later Also the PSU starts only when one VR is on it's end now. This is probably the important one

        Jeez why they let control the whole PSU by something as unreliable as electrolytics? If there were creamics, I did not have to change them
        Last edited by Behemot; 05-16-2011, 05:52 PM.
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        • Behemot
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          Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

          I tried to lower capacitance before the coils to aproximately the same it was there before. I still get terrible whistling. It seems the problem is there somewhere, both the coils and capacitors heat pretty much, I guess it does not resonate as it should.

          I'll have oscilloscope here, where should I meassure the actuall switching frequency?
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          • Th3_uN1Qu3
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            • Jul 2010
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            #6
            Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

            It doesn't have to do with switching frequency. It has to do with control loop compensation. It's entirely possible that the compensation sucks because it's been designed along those crappy caps with high ESR. You're gonna have to redo it. Assuming it doesn't have one of those proprietary control ICs and you can actually locate the compensation components.
            Originally posted by PeteS in CA
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            • Behemot
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              Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

              Could be, it seems that when I connect some load to the PSU, the voltages rise. I firstly thought it was only the 12 V rail due to crossloading, but the 3,3 and 5 V rails did not suck too much of current and they also show some pretty high voltages.

              When I set the 12V for 12,15 no load, it rises to 12,4 V under load, 3,3V rail is almost at 3,6 V, 5V is at some 5,3 V.

              Could you navigate me slightly? I guess what I am lookign for is the IC in the down left corner. together with the two potentiometers I've been playing for. One sets the actuall 12 V voltage, the second I am not exactly sure what does, but during playing with capacity near it, it had impact on whether the PSU started at all or on which frequency it whistled.

              it is labeled Enhance 16880A 333 15116.
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              • Behemot
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                Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

                Do you think you can give me a hand with this bro? :-) Will buy you a beer when around
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                • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                  Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

                  If you can lift the schematic of the controller section i'll see what i can do.
                  Originally posted by PeteS in CA
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                  • selldoor
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 7870

                    #10
                    Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

                    Hi - I think the schematics are hard (impossible) to come by. There are a few posts
                    on this forum that might help
                    http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1355352.html
                    Its in Polish - I use google translate- if you just get up google translate and put the link in the box it will translate the whole page. Links at the bottom to other threads also translate.
                    Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                    • Behemot
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                      Re: Chieftec (enhance) ATX-1136H: whistling, shutting down after recap

                      I asked Enhance directly but do not expect any luck…
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