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  • John McGivern
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 195
    • uk

    #1

    ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

    Hi, i am trying to repair this motherboard.
    Ny daughter spilled red wine on it.
    Adaper 19v
    First mosfet PQ51 drain side 19v, nothing on gate or source.

    Questions, 1. Do I have to install RAM for testing?
    2. Current sense resistor missing R020 -2512-1%.
    3. How difficult is it to solder this component?
    4. Can I test without this or is value critical?

    I have a 30v 1amp variable power supply for testing.

    Many thanks in advance.
    See photos and PDF.
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  • Techtiger
    Badcaps Legend
    • Oct 2014
    • 1602
    • france

    #2
    Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

    Most probably your 1st Fet is gone since it’s P channel it should cross 19V but less than Drain

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    • piernov
      Super Moderator
      • Jan 2016
      • 4435
      • France

      #3
      Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

      Why is the current sense resistor missing?
      OpenBoardView — https://github.com/OpenBoardView/OpenBoardView

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      • John McGivern
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2013
        • 195
        • uk

        #4
        Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

        Must have come off when disassembling but never noticed it anywhere.

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        • piernov
          Super Moderator
          • Jan 2016
          • 4435
          • France

          #5
          Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

          It looks like it has been removed so wanted confirm. It's required anyway.
          OpenBoardView — https://github.com/OpenBoardView/OpenBoardView

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          • John McGivern
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2013
            • 195
            • uk

            #6
            Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

            What is best way to solder this component very tight tolerance 0.5 ml trace gap? Bit vary of shorting traces.

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            • mcplslg123
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              • Jun 2015
              • 7262
              • india

              #7
              Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

              Either with a finetipped solder iron or hot air gun.

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              • John McGivern
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2013
                • 195
                • uk

                #8
                Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                Thank you mcpisig123.

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                • piernov
                  Super Moderator
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 4435
                  • France

                  #9
                  Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                  The current sense resistor is a quite large component. A decent soldering iron and some flux will have no trouble soldering it.
                  OpenBoardView — https://github.com/OpenBoardView/OpenBoardView

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                  • John McGivern
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                    • Dec 2013
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                    #10
                    Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                    Thanks piernov.

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                    • John McGivern
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                      • Dec 2013
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                      #11
                      Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                      Should I leave the memory out while testing?

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                      • John McGivern
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                        • Dec 2013
                        • 195
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                        #12
                        Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                        Pj15/16/18 all shorted to gnd.

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                        • mcplslg123
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                          • Jun 2015
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                          #13
                          Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                          Originally posted by John McGivern
                          Pj15/16/18 all shorted to gnd.
                          PJ15/16 are supposed to show very low resistance to gnd.(measure it in resistance mode and not diode mode). thats not a worry for now. PJ18 is your B+ line(19V)-it is shorted. Open the jumper and apply low voltage like 1-2V on the shorted side if you have a bench power supply.

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                          • John McGivern
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                            • Dec 2013
                            • 195
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                            #14
                            Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                            Hi, I only have 1 amp will this be enough?

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                            • KvnTM
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • May 2018
                              • 434
                              • Germany

                              #15
                              Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                              Originally posted by John McGivern
                              Hi, I only have 1 amp will this be enough?
                              Should be enough to heat up the shorted component. Pour some alcohol on the board and look where it evaporates quickly.

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                              • John McGivern
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                                • Dec 2013
                                • 195
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                                #16
                                Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                                KvnTN, thanks for replying, just a novice. I applied 1.8 volts to pj18 side 1 this was on pq62 drain only. R020 is missing so wil have to wait till it arrives to test. Many thanks.

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                                • John McGivern
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                                  • Dec 2013
                                  • 195
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                                  #17
                                  Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                                  Tested all coils diode mode least measurement was 0.024. Hopefully R0.02 will arrive tomorrow. I have first and second mosfets to fit at the same time. Will it be best to remove Ram while testing? Thanks again.

                                  Removed solder from pj18. Pq62 reads1.2v other side of pj18 shorted.
                                  Last edited by John McGivern; 10-17-2019, 03:01 PM.

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                                  • John McGivern
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Dec 2013
                                    • 195
                                    • uk

                                    #18
                                    Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                                    Hi Guys, soldered Pr352 this connects to Pj18 which is open. This is side 2 which is shorted to ground. I injected 1volt at side 1 of Pj18 this was on drain of Pq62 nothing on gate/source.
                                    Injected 19v to Pq51 this was on drain/gate/source and also on Pq52 source but nothing on gate/drain. Cheers.

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                                    • Techtiger
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                                      • Oct 2014
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                                      #19
                                      Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                                      your 1st FET is not switching you need PACIN GATE PASS to pin 4 to allow same voltage to cross over there is a body diode in side forward bias PQ51 whatever the voltage on DRAIN it will pass voltage to SOURCE but less than the DRAIN PU18A is the starting point of PACIN unless you don’t have the PASS it will not work
                                      Last edited by Techtiger; 10-18-2019, 12:20 PM.

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                                      • John McGivern
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Dec 2013
                                        • 195
                                        • uk

                                        #20
                                        Re: ACER 5742 Dead M/Board

                                        Thanks techtiger will change PQ51 tomorrow.

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