Lenovo Thinkpad P72 EP720 NM-B723 MB - Power disabled within 2 seconds after plugging the charger

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  • Mita99
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    • Jun 2024
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    • Hungary

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    Lenovo Thinkpad P72 EP720 NM-B723 MB - Power disabled within 2 seconds after plugging the charger

    Hi,

    Try to repair a Thinkpad P72 EP720 NM-B723 MB with I7-8850H processor and N18E-Q1-KB-A1 (P3200) GPU with 6GB memory. Unfortunately there is noinfo what happened to the laptop. I got it disassembled with parts missing, like keyboard, battery.

    Unfortunately I have no schematic available for me (requested in the sub porum) but got the boardview file.

    Symptom: after connecting to the charger the power led light up for one-two second and switch off. After a couple secons the power led light up for half a second and switch off. No battery, no IO board, no memory, no keyboard connected to the MB.

    Checked the resistance on the power rails. Measured VCCPUCore resistance to ground 2 ohm, VCCGFXCORE_D 0.1 ohm. I have no experience on these resistances but I thought the GFXCORE rail is shorted.
    Thermo camera was not able to pinpoint any parts with increased heat. The only visible change was the small heatup of the VCCPUCORE inductors and drivers.

    Checked the NCP81274 phase buck controller controlling the VCCGFXCORE drivers with scope. PWMs are present, VCCGFXCORE goes to 1.25V and dorps to zero withing half a second. Power good PGOOD signal goes up and down accordingly. On the other hand according to the boarview file the PGOOD signal pulled up but not routed anywhere else.

    Checked the NCP81215 three output controller controlling VCCPUCORE with scope. PWMs are present VCCPUCORE goes about to 1.3V and drops zero within a second.

    Injected 0.9V (5A limit) on VCCGFXCORE. I got no voltage drop and 2 amper but there was not any heat up parts on the thermo camera. The GPU slowly warmed up to 32Celsius. I do not really understand this short. If it would be short the current should have reached the limit but not.

    Same injection to the VCCPUCORE rail. No voltage drop, 1A current, no heated parts.

    Removed the four coils, big tantal caps from the VCCGFXCORE rail measured 0.4 ohm resistance to ground, increased from 0.1ohm, it is quite a lot. Measured the lo and the high side resistance to ground of the drivers, seems to be OK, in couple Kohm range.

    At this point I am asking help how to proceed forward. Do the GPU or the CPU toasted? Injection is not supporting this theory. These amperes are within the limits, there are no under and over voltage situations therefore the controllers should operate continously.

    Unfortunately I do not know the power sequence of this laptop. As far as I see the power management is controlled by one of the two Lenovo ThinkEngine chip, but there is no documentation on the net about this. It could be possible there is an another reason the rails are disabled within a short period of time.

    If anybody knows these power controller ICs thsn please advise how to measure the possible reasons of the rail disabling.

    Any advice is appreciated in advance.



  • Mita99
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    • Jun 2024
    • 13
    • Hungary

    #2
    I was able to move forward because bought the schematics and got the boardview file from the forum.

    I replaced the 330uF tantalum capacitors on the VCCGFXCORE_D rail. Soldered back the coils as well.

    The situation became worst: no power at all, not for one second. I have attached the schematic of the DC-IN section to better understand the "strange" situation.
    Symptom: there is no voltage at the output of the PQ1 P-channel mosfet because its gate always on DCIN_PWR20_F, ie. at 19V. It seems the Thinkengine switches off the MB immediately with PWRSHUTDOWN signal pulled to low. PQ1 pin 5, output resistance to ground is in megaohm range, no output short present.

    Measured PR8 resistor's both legs with scope at the same time and got the picture attached. Yellow line on pin 2, blue line on pin 1 of PR8. Pin 1 went to high and to gnd for about 1ms and to high again. 1ms wide 3V PWRSHUTDOWN signal switches PQ8 which turns on PQ6, grounding PR8 pin1. But. How on earth the PR8 pin2 do not follow this change? PR8 pin2 is on steady 19V instead of about 6.3V for 1ms.

    To simplify the situation I removed the resistors with red circles eliminating the PQ1 gate and the PQ4 effects.

    The situation remained the same, PR8 pin 2 did not react the change of pin1 voltage drop to gnd. We have a voltage divider PR3 (200k)-PR8(100k) which is not working. Between PR3 and PR8 about 6.3V should be present for 1ms but not, it is 19V all the time. It is like there is no current flowing through PR3. The resistance between PR8 pin1 and PR3 pin 2 is about 300kohm wich is ok based on the schematic.

    If somebody has an explanation why the voltage divider is not wokring please share with me. What would be the next try to figure out what is happening with the gate voltage?

    Other question is why Thinkengine PWRSHUTDOWN output is high for 1ms only. If it is low the main power rail disabled. PQ1 is never open therefore main rail overcurrent can not be the reason to shut down the main power rail. But the first question is the PQ1 gate voltage. If the PWRSHUTDOWN signal would be high all the time the PQ1 gate voltage still remained high and the main power rail voltage would be zero.

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    • khaahk
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      • Dec 2013
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      #3
      Power adapter should be 170w lenovo, lower wattage might not work.

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      • Mita99
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        • Jun 2024
        • 13
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        #4
        Thank you your reply. The main power rail is down, not swtching on as described above. The maximum current is 100mA in this state of the MB. Only the Thinkengine ICs got the 19V, no other subsystems are powered, all the V rails are 0V, except V3SWT generated by the Thinkengine IC. The usage of smaller than 170-210W adapter could cause problem when the systemis starting up or under heavy load but unfortunately not inmy case. Wish I would be there.

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        • khaahk
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          • Dec 2013
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          #5
          Dependent on model, lenovo does not show any signs of life with lower wattage adapters. Been there, wasting a lot of time diagnosing working machines.
          You can emulate the adapter with a right resistance, the info should be found here in the forum.
          Last edited by khaahk; 05-02-2025, 02:38 PM.

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          • Mita99
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            • Jun 2024
            • 13
            • Hungary

            #6
            OK, you have a point. I use a DC-DC converter for the test with an external SMPS. I thought the extra pin in the Lenovo power adapter is used only for charging purpose but it could be possible Thinkengine monitors this signal presence and if not present disables the main power rail immediately. I tried with a Lenovo 135W adapter as well with the same result therefore I thought the extra pin emulation is not important in my case.. Anyway it worth a try.

            One more thing I do not know. How the MB is reacting when it gets power from the adapter, with no battery? Is it try to start or just remains in S5 power state waiting for the power on buton? When I first powered the MB it seemed it started without the power button press but cut the main power rail after two seconds.

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            • Mita99
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              • Jun 2024
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              #7
              Did my homework on the Lenovo SlimTip charger port. In my case if I am using a single DC-DC power supply to power up the MB than a 4.6kohm resistor should be used to ground on the PJ1 connector of DC-in, pin 9. See the following link: https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Power...230W_11.5_Amps. Khaahk is right, this pin should be at right resistance concerning the MB type. The pin9 is named ACDC_IN which goes to the Thinkengine EC ADC input. This input is pulled up to VCC3M. It means this voltage should be present to be able to identify the connected charger. As far as I remember only VCC3SWT was present but maybe I forgot to check this voltage. I can check it at the weekend only.
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