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    Laptop / battery / charger voltages?

    Hi there. I have some semi-functional li-ion laptop batteries laying around, i have opened all of them, now i have 3 packs that have some life in them. I want to use them for different projects around the house.

    I have started a thread before on this forum about IC to charge at 12,6V (11.1 or 10,8v nominal) but it is problematic to charge them purely in series as a single unit due to possible disbalances. Therefore I will try to use controllers that are inside the battery.

    I have managed to get 2 of them to charge (1 just directly connecting to positive and negative terminals, another with a small clicky switch to get a required impulse to start charging). I am still working on the last one to charge.

    The question is, if the cells are connected in 2p3s system, the charge voltage would be 12.6V to charge both 10.8V and 11.1V packs, provided that i charge the cells directly. But how much of voltage do i have to supply to the controller so it controls the whole charging process? Knowing that most power bricks are 18-20V there has to be a dc-dc converter for charging a battery somewhere. Is it inside the laptop or the battery itself?

    Long story short, do i have to supply those 18~20~whatever-high-volts to the pins of the battery controller and it regulates the voltage itself, or i have to give it much lower voltage (close to 12.6V i assume) not to cook the cells.

    And does the battery controller itself regulate the charging process, for CC, CV, balance stages? Or it is the laptop doing it over the data/clock pins?

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    Re: Laptop / battery / charger voltages?

    Could you show some diagram how you did it?

    If you are charging the two batteries, can your charger deliver the needed current to fully charge the battery? If so, how do you control when to disable the charger? Usually in laptop, the charger ic inside the laptop is controlling it for you and the host system is the one giving the commands when to enable or disable charging.

    If you are going to take a look at some datasheet of the charger ic, there are loads of example circuit in there which will help you implement your own standalone charger which can enable/disable charging of your batteries automatically.

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      Re: Laptop / battery / charger voltages?

      Well, I think you understood me wrong. I had a simmilar thread in another section about charging li-ion batteries in series. https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28910
      I have learned there that you can not charge them as a single unit, you need to monitor each cell individually and discharge it if voltage is too high for one part of it. Therefore i am using a controller inside the battery pack to do that for me. Well it is more of finding out what does that controller do, and if it is enough? Because I am aware about the ic inside the laptop, and i am not sure if I can do the whole smart charge without laptop part. I haven't charged them fully yet, i have just tested if they can be charged over the controller, as some controllers require some code to do so. I haven't charged the packs fully because as already mentioned i am not sure if the controller itself will stop the current flow to the cells.
      For example see this: http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/...0_D600_battery
      I have similar pinouts on one of my pack. 1+2 pins is where i connect the positive cable of P/S, and 8 + 9 is the negative. One of the packs needs a trigger (clicky button over 100ohm resistor) from 1+2 pins to pin #5 to start flowing the current to the pack.
      Another has only 6 pins IIRC and i just used 2 of them, 1st and the last to supply current for the controller and it starts charging the cells without any trigger.

      Yes I have more than powerfull (well, for this application) power supplies.

      Does anyone know if the controller inside the battery pack is anyhow usefull in my case?

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        Re: Laptop / battery / charger voltages?

        As far as I know, most laptop battery packs charging are designed to be controlled by the host (laptop). But I could be wrong.

        Take a look at the attached pdf for example - Battery Circuit Architecture (Texas Instruments). The circuit inside the battery pack are comprised only of circuit protection and battery monitor (temp, etc.).

        Other than that, I guess, the control that you require cannot be provided by the built-in controller. But again, I could be wrong.
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