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  • ben7
    Capaholic
    • Jan 2011
    • 4059
    • USA
    #1

    laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

    Hey folks, so, my laptop died. I had it in sleep mode for about an hour then it wouldn't wake up. Or at least the screen wouldn't.

    It is a toshiba satellite L645D-S4036 from 2010

    The power on light becomes white, the hdd light blinks once (HDD spins up and appears to be fine), but no beeps or backlight. This laptop has an led backlight.

    Tried removing hdd, removing and swapping ram, but no beeps. I'm thinking it isn't getting that far in the POST process. Tried removing battery pack, removing CMOS battery, still no luck. No video on the VGA out either.

    Has ATI Radeon HD4520 GPU. CPU is a Phenom II P820 (1.8GHz, triple core). Memory is 2Gb-x2. No burn marks on anything.

    Also, leaving it on in this partly dead state, the heatsink warms up as usual ans the fan turns on when necessary.

    Connectors all look good.

    Ideas? I've got someone who has a shop nearby, he has BGA soldering equipment.

    so, do you think this could be fixed by a simple reflow? (A reball would last longer, wouldn't it?)

    It was a perfectly good computer, before this happened. (Ran windows7 quite speedily)
    Muh-soggy-knee
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    • fddizon
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Sep 2011
      • 555
      • Philippines
      #2
      Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

      take a mild reflow to confirm that its the gpu giving a no display fault. - if positive, reball

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        • fddizon
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Sep 2011
          • 555
          • Philippines
          #3
          Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

          or try the basics first. remove power adapter and battery. press and hold power button for at least 15 seconds. try it with battery

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            • shovenose
              Send Doge Memes
              • Aug 2010
              • 6575
              • USA
              #4
              Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

              Probably needs a reflow. just had an HP with a Radeon HD4250 with a bad chip.

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                • ben7
                  Capaholic
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 4059
                  • USA
                  #5
                  Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                  Originally posted by shovenose
                  Probably needs a reflow. just had an HP with a Radeon HD4250 with a bad chip.
                  A bad chip or bad solder balls? Lol I think I meant HD4250 also, I keep switching them xD

                  Originally posted by fddizon
                  or try the basics first. remove power adapter and battery. press and hold power button for at least 15 seconds. try it with battery
                  That was the first thing I did actually xD
                  Muh-soggy-knee

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                    • senndogg
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 383
                      • Albania
                      #6
                      Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                      in this case it will be bad solder! Usually these ATIs dont fail, even if they fail they are so cheap...

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                        • ben7
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                          • Jan 2011
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                          #7
                          Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                          Originally posted by senndogg
                          in this case it will be bad solder! Usually these ATIs dont fail, even if they fail they are so cheap...
                          Good to hear, I agree too, mainly because the failure was after the computer cooled down - when it cooled down the solder just gave-way. But I don't want to be too optimistic, incase something else is wrong
                          Muh-soggy-knee

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                            • tmiha71
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 130
                              #8
                              Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                              I do wonder, what capacitors are used in laptop VRM's... It looks like they never did failed...

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                                • ben7
                                  Capaholic
                                  • Jan 2011
                                  • 4059
                                  • USA
                                  #9
                                  Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                  Originally posted by tmiha71
                                  I do wonder, what capacitors are used in laptop VRM's... It looks like they never did failed...
                                  Contrary to the problems with the capacitor made by 'nec-tokin' in toshiba laptops, my laptop doesn't have one. It has a handful of smaller rectangular, black capacitors.
                                  Muh-soggy-knee

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                                    • shovenose
                                      Send Doge Memes
                                      • Aug 2010
                                      • 6575
                                      • USA
                                      #10
                                      Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                      Time for a Lenovo or Dell, then?

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                                        • ben7
                                          Capaholic
                                          • Jan 2011
                                          • 4059
                                          • USA
                                          #11
                                          Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                          Originally posted by shovenose
                                          Time for a Lenovo or Dell, then?
                                          Not yet. Going to have reflowed first.
                                          Muh-soggy-knee

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                                            • senndogg
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                                              • Dec 2011
                                              • 383
                                              • Albania
                                              #12
                                              Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                              i am pretty sure it will gain extra 3-12 months life after reflowing.

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                                                • ben7
                                                  Capaholic
                                                  • Jan 2011
                                                  • 4059
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                                                  #13
                                                  Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                  Originally posted by senndogg
                                                  i am pretty sure it will gain extra 3-12 months life after reflowing.
                                                  Reballing would last longer, right?
                                                  Muh-soggy-knee

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                                                    • momaka
                                                      master hoarder
                                                      • May 2008
                                                      • 12170
                                                      • Bulgaria
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                      ^ If done properly with leaded solder, it should.

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                                                        • senndogg
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                                                          • Dec 2011
                                                          • 383
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                                                          #15
                                                          Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                          Originally posted by momaka
                                                          ^ If done properly with leaded solder, it should.
                                                          totally agree with that!

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                                                            • ben7
                                                              Capaholic
                                                              • Jan 2011
                                                              • 4059
                                                              • USA
                                                              #16
                                                              Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                              Originally posted by senndogg
                                                              totally agree with that!
                                                              Yeah I've been thinking the same thing. At least a web search suggests that it will be longer lasting. I kinda liked this computer, so I wish it will last a long time xD
                                                              Muh-soggy-knee

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                                                                • tmiha71
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                  • 130
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                                  @ben7
                                                                  Something like this, see picture, they're probably the same (or very similar), some kind of poly, but (pictured) ONLY 1000 h at 85 degC, those on the picture are NEC-TOKIN, so called NEOCap....
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                                                                    • ben7
                                                                      Capaholic
                                                                      • Jan 2011
                                                                      • 4059
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Re: laptop died - GPU needs reflow?

                                                                      Originally posted by tmiha71
                                                                      @ben7
                                                                      Something like this, see picture, they're probably the same (or very similar), some kind of poly, but (pictured) ONLY 1000 h at 85 degC, those on the picture are NEC-TOKIN, so called NEOCap....
                                                                      HA yes they look just like that. 1000 hours?! That isn't nice. I'm sure they ran quite close to 85C, if not more!

                                                                      Now I do wonder if one has gone short, or the like!
                                                                      Muh-soggy-knee

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