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    P4SD - case I7M

    Hello all.

    I recieved this board monday and i cant figure out what is wrong with it.

    even before recapping, the caps it had looked good (IM noob O) but still since i finally got some caps (crappy but still caps, and thats all i could manage to get around here) i decided to try out.

    the board keeps shutting down abruptly, sometimes it takes longer, sometimes it wont go after the first bootup screen....

    i found a pattern: it last longer (or sometimes not even fail) if i physically leave it in its laying down position and not on its standing positiong. Does that make any sense? I cant find nothing wrong with the board, I recapped it and still doing the same, one of those days i left it running mprime laying down and it was working morning after, another day i tried it with mtest and the same... but if i leave it on its standing position i dont even have to wait much when it shuts down, the longest it takes to shut down is about half hour... at once this morning it sent me the PSU error, i changed PSU and it was really weird (i dont know if it was a misconnection but i didnt see any) the board would just not advance to its next booting screen or if did itd get stuck right there (not shutting down, but gettting froze, not responding to caps/num lock) then i put back the original PSU and began working again (WTF?)

    then the last times i tried on mprime i realized mprime would say someething like:
    "hub 1-0:1.0: overcurrent change on port 7econds" <- (is not a typo, thats how it was shoing up)....
    does any1 have an idea what could this mean? the board had one usb stick memory on one front connector (the one i was booting with) and a usb mouse in the back, ps2 keyb and vga monitor.

    these pics are how the board currently looks like. i havent manually resolder the whole board, also have not applied hot air to it. do you advise any?

    i have changed: CPU, cooler+fan, GMCH cooler, DIMMs, PSU and almost fully recapped. (even the rubycon besides the memory bank is recapped, i pulled it from a dead board.) the only caps i havent touched are those in the CPU area (1800/6.3) and the few polys the boards got. the only area i resolder was the area arund the GMCH.

    Any tip, advice, info, aything is highly appreciated.
    Thanks.

    peace.
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    #2
    Re: P4SD - case I7M

    Originally posted by MXM View Post
    "hub 1-0:1.0: overcurrent change on port 7econds" <- (is not a typo, thats how it was shoing up)....
    does any1 have an idea what could this mean?
    USB overcurrent warning, possible southbridge failure. Try reflowing the board (hot air or oven, whatever method you prefer) and see what happens.
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
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      #3
      Re: P4SD - case I7M

      ^ thanks, i will and update after cooling n testing.

      thanks again.

      peace.
      We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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        #4
        Re: P4SD - case I7M

        UPDATE: The board boots but it shuts down on no particular pattern running mprime, no more error messages, actually it lasted good yesteday but today it failed again. Do you advise manual resoldering or reheating harder?
        We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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          #5
          Re: P4SD - case I7M

          Just out of curiosity, what power supplies did you use to test this board with (brand and model)? Seems like you've been having lots of intermittent problems with the P4SD boards, and because of this, I'm starting to suspect your PSU(s).

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            #6
            Re: P4SD - case I7M

            hey, thanks... i use normally a PSU i fixed time ago, but since i got another PCs waiting to be fixed i used their PSUs every other day, but yeah i have switched PSUs in this particular case. Then when i think the board is ready i put in some case (sometimes not the original it came in) and test with mprime on its standing by-the-side position, theres is when they fail.... have i suspect of the PSUs, wel yeah, but, as I wrote, i have switched PSUs with same results.

            I have to admit once i got much more suspicious of a PSU causing this failures since the board wasnt that hot while the PSU was steaming hot, and since this PSU model has a lot of known issues, i really thought it was it, but then again i switched PSUs and same thing happened.

            My internet is being a bitch i wanted to post many thing yesterday

            PSU model PDP124P

            peace.
            We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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              #7
              Re: P4SD - case I7M

              Originally posted by MXM View Post
              I have to admit once i got much more suspicious of a PSU causing this failures since the board wasnt that hot while the PSU was steaming hot, and since this PSU model has a lot of known issues, i really thought it was it, but then again i switched PSUs and same thing happened.
              Well it's improbable to have two bad PSUs but not impossible. Maybe they're just not adequate for your boards or maybe their caps have gone bad. Speaking on which, what brand of caps do both PSU employ?

              Originally posted by MXM View Post
              PSU model PDP124P
              Sounds like it came from a HP or Compaq PC. Might be a Delta or Lite-ON OEM (they both make good PSUs). Any chance you can get a picture of the label? I hope you don't think I'm wasting your time with this - just want to make sure you're using a good power supply with enough Amps on the 12v rail for a P4 CPU.

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                #8
                Re: P4SD - case I7M

                ^ thanks for your replies.

                I know having two bad PSUs is not impossible, specially here in my office, where all seems to fail... so i have to give it the benefit of that doubt, i will take pics of the units, yesterday i had this situation... the board shut off again and i switched to a PSU that I trust -i used a PSU that cant leave this place, or else Id have none for testing ...- and it remained in mprime for 20hrs til i showed up this morning--- i guess this is a PSU failure and not a mobo one... (or not?)... what should i be looking for in the PSUs? I noticed (the one that failed) it was hot as hell, not only the MOSFET area but the whole unit was steaming hot.... this particular model has a known issues with the glue becoming conductive and making the MOSFET go Boom! as wel as the PWM IC, and wel whatever crosses i guess... but, back to the point, is it possible that the mobo is asking too much to the PSU or something like that? cause even not using mprime itd shutdown, but take longer... should i just go ahead and replace the power MOSFET and see if it works? -that particular transistor is kinda hard to get for me-

                any idea, tip or advise is highly appreciated.

                thanks again.
                We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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                  #9
                  Re: P4SD - case I7M

                  Originally posted by MXM View Post
                  what should i be looking for in the PSUs?
                  Amps rating on the 12v rail and caps inside the power supply (check if they are bulged and see what brand and series they are).

                  Originally posted by MXM View Post
                  I noticed (the one that failed) it was hot as hell, not only the MOSFET area but the whole unit was steaming hot.... this particular model has a known issues with the glue becoming conductive and making the MOSFET go Boom! as wel as the PWM IC, and wel whatever crosses i guess...
                  Clean the glue off. This won't help your motherboards crash any less but at least your PSU won't go *bang* once the glue becomes conductive (by the way, the glue becomes more conductive with heat so you definitely don't want to overheat the PSU now).

                  Originally posted by MXM View Post
                  but, back to the point, is it possible that the mobo is asking too much to the PSU or something like that?
                  Yes.

                  Originally posted by MXM View Post
                  should i just go ahead and replace the power MOSFET and see if it works?
                  No, the PSU was designed for those particular MOSFETs. If it's rated for 250 or more watts, you can upgrade the 12v rail with a bigger schottky rectifier (or add a second one if the PCB is silk-screened for it). Either that, or get a better PSU instead with more amps on the 12v rail and leave this one for testing less power hungry systems.

                  Originally posted by MXM View Post
                  any idea, tip or advise is highly appreciated.
                  What processor are you using for the testing? If it's a P4 Prescott, don't use a PSU with less than 16 Amps on the 12v rail.

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                    #10
                    Re: P4SD - case I7M

                    ^ Thanks for the time and replies.

                    It was the PSU causing this particular board to shut off, and yes i did have two broken PSUs.... but thanks to you and the info you gave I managed to figure out the problem.

                    Seems like theres a new known issue for these damn PSUs -new to me, at least -... looks like the plastic frame of its only and shitty fan gives up, bends a little, causing the fan to stop (or not funtion at all), and this leading to overheating/shutting off.

                    I just chopped off the platic on the way of the fan and mounted it all back again, I also cleaned the PSU cause of cause it was as dirty as possible, checked on the caps as you mentioned, none of them are good brand but i didnt recap due to the rush fact.

                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1282064540

                    And yes, this was the same issue on the other PSU i was using to testing... looks like when you set up this PCs on its standing by-the-side position isnt that good for the PSU under certain -not so nice- working conditions.... but hey... is either that or nothing!. The processor being used is normally P4, Prescott:

                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1282064540

                    The MOSFET i use as replacement is 2SK2771

                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...1&d=1282064540


                    Another board fixed by the Badcaps.net Forum Community, Thanks

                    Th3_uN1Qu3
                    momaka

                    And thanks again for your time and responses. Appreciated.

                    peace.
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                      #11
                      Re: P4SD - case I7M

                      Samxon is a good brand of caps
                      This site sells them

                      The Samxon GF does have a little tarnished record tho, but it seems to be related to high heat scenarios, like LCD's etc with poor airflow...
                      In a PSU with a working fan I'd assume they would be just fine...
                      "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                        #12
                        Re: P4SD - case I7M

                        ^ Thanks, i cant edit that message but I acknowledge your comment.

                        And the big samxon were put by me when i didnt know what to do i thought they had something to do with the whole overheating scenerio, but thanks again.

                        peace.
                        We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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                          #13
                          Re: P4SD - case I7M

                          What is the matter with PSD series specifically, MXM?

                          Cheers, Wizard

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                            #14
                            Re: P4SD - case I7M

                            ^ nothing, this particular PSU and board are now working, but this combo (this particular board and power supply models) seem to have a lot of failure within themselves.

                            peace.
                            We don't have a great war in our generation, or a great depression, but we do, we have a great war of the spirit. We have a great revolution against the culture. The great depression is our lives. We have a spiritual depression.

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