LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

[budm]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

Like I said Badcaps.net has no association with CCL-LA. Badcaps only does MOTHER board recap, it said so if you read the description of what kind of services BADCAPS PERFORMS " If you would like to send your motherboard in for recapping,", BADCAPS DOES NOT DO MONITOR board recap service.

http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php/about/
Call them up and complain to them then.
From their website:
About

Corporate Computer is a 8 year old company that services local as well as national accounts. We provide on-site repairs to companies in the central Louisiana area. Our services include network installation and maintenance, PC and printer repair, building wiring and systems support. We are Dell, HP and Lexmark certified. We are also registered service providers on the On-Force service network.

We are located at:

Shipping:
Corporate Computer
6425 Bouef Trace
Alexandria, La. 71301

Store front:
Corporate Computer
3161 Masonic Dr
Alexandria, La. 71301

Phone number: 318-769-9040

- See more at: http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php....UzHsZ5Wu.dpuf

[CAS1234]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?pageid=request

If you would like to send your motherboard in for recapping, please complete the form below. An automated confirmation will be sent to you shortly after you submit. You will have a live response from me personally within 24 hours (weekends excluded). In my response, I will quote you the total price, payment information, shipping instructions, and an address to ship it to. Completing and submitting this form DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN ORDER, you are not obligated at this point!! This simply gets the essential information to me in order to begin, speed up, and simplify the repair process. I want the repair service as painless as possible for you!

CCFL-LA serice request form:
http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...-request-form/

I don't need my PC motherboard caps replaced. I need my LCD monitor caps replaced. The "CCFL-LA service request form" fields do not come up for monitor repair. So I tried to register on CCFL-LA and it told me my email address CarmanASgro@earthlink.net is blacklisted as a spammer? I had spam on a previous Earthlink address and I changed my email address a couple of months ago. My computer had been going berserk with tabs opening and closing and programs opening where I lost the ability to control the mouse. So I rebooted and did deep scan with Eset and Outpost. Eset didn't find anything but OutPost firewall found two trojans in a complete system scan Monday and I blocked a SVCHOST.exe outbound request after I came home and took my browser off of offline mode. I have not had any problems since but with the unauthorized outbound request I think there is a part of the Trojan still on my computer. This is the first time I've seen the following message while trying to register.

http://www.ccl-la.com/forum/ucp.php?mode=register
Your IP 66.167.250.169 has been blocked because it is blacklisted. For details please see http://search.atlbl.com/search.php?q=66.167.250.169.

An entry on the blaklist may have several reasons:
1. You are a well-known spammer.
2. Last time a well-known spammer was using the dynamic IP address which you got from your ISP (Internet Service Provider).
3. Your ISP is well-known for a lot of spamming customers and is not fighting against spammers.

[budm]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?pageid=request

If you would like to send your motherboard in for recapping, please complete the form below. An automated confirmation will be sent to you shortly after you submit. You will have a live response from me personally within 24 hours (weekends excluded). In my response, I will quote you the total price, payment information, shipping instructions, and an address to ship it to. Completing and submitting this form DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN ORDER, you are not obligated at this point!! This simply gets the essential information to me in order to begin, speed up, and simplify the repair process. I want the repair service as painless as possible for you!

CCFL-LA serice request form:
http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...-request-form/

[CAS1234]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?pageid=request
They do the recap for the mother board.

"but BadCaps will not reply via "Request Repair Service" on http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...ouse-lcm-22w3/" I do not see what Badcaps has to do with CCL-LA.COM.

Wrong. I requested repair "Request Repair Service" on https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?pageid=request last week and still I have not seen a reply. The ccl-la.com page showed you how to repair it youself along with the bad caps replacements and at the bottom of the page referred BadCaps for repair.

[budm]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?pageid=request
They do the recap for the mother board.

"but BadCaps will not reply via "Request Repair Service" on http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...ouse-lcm-22w3/" I do not see what Badcaps has to do with CCL-LA.COM.

[CAS1234]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

I need my Westinghouse LCM-22W3 LCD fixed but BadCaps will not reply via "Request Repair Service" on http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...ouse-lcm-22w3/

This is delicate work and I don't want to risk making a mistake on something which I don't do even though I understand it. Why don't BadCaps respond?

[budm]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

http://s807.photobucket.com/user/bud...?sort=3&page=1

Watch out for bad lamps/wiring too.

[CAS1234]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

SOLVED: LCM-22W3
This monitor has defective capacitors. A company in Taiwan tried to duplicate Japanese but got the stolen formula wrong. The write up identifying which caps and repair is next:
http://www.ccl-la.com/blog/index.php...ouse-lcm-22w3/

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

The thing is that for example WinXP can be forced to run at a specific resolution and ignore the EDID data. Linux might be able to do that too. This doesn't work on Vista and 7 though (no way to force them to ignore EDID data).

That's probably why he suggested trying a linux boot CD.


Also.. I kinda wonder if it would be possible to read out the EDID data from another 22" 1680x1050 LCD and write it to yours..? I don't see what could prevent it from working that way as long as the resolution matches, considering the stuff in most LCD monitors is compatible enough that you can for example swap LCD panels with the same resolution without caring about the manufacturer or looking at datasheets. Done that countless times before.. lol

I can most definitely FORCE the correct resolution onto the monitor and it will work, the problem lies when it doesnt have the correct timing and shit and cant make the fonts look nice and whatnot. Because it HONESTLY believes that it is a 17inch acer.

Though, yeah, I FIGURE I could get the EDID data from another 22in monitor and write it to mine without any real issue I guess - problem is I would need the software to write to the monitor and possibly need some sort of connection or EEPROM programmer to do so. Which I dont think software will be able to do through, lets just say, a DVI cable.

I got home but havent been able to take screenies of the monitor yet. Will probably take it apart in a bit if Im not too whipped from work...

[Scenic]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

A linux boot CD I dont think would change anything, as I honestly dont believe this is a windows problem at this point. I mean, its a generic pnp monitor without drivers, and since windows relies on the EDID data being correct, which it isnt, all of it points to the monitor being the issue

The thing is that for example WinXP can be forced to run at a specific resolution and ignore the EDID data. Linux might be able to do that too. This doesn't work on Vista and 7 though (no way to force them to ignore EDID data).

That's probably why he suggested trying a linux boot CD.


Also.. I kinda wonder if it would be possible to read out the EDID data from another 22" 1680x1050 LCD and write it to yours..? I don't see what could prevent it from working that way as long as the resolution matches, considering the stuff in most LCD monitors is compatible enough that you can for example swap LCD panels with the same resolution without caring about the manufacturer or looking at datasheets. Done that countless times before.. lol

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

And this is how capitalism works! The manufacturer screws the customer over, so the customer has to buy a new product every few years.

GOOOOOOO CAPITALISM!!

Also, poor cheaply made products! Nothing like getting electronics with capacitors that are not meant to survive but a single day outside of the warranty!

Hahhaah!

Thanks for all of your help though ahead of time. This has been a super frustrating issue to me but just knowing that people are giving advice and helping has made it a lot more bearable.

[tom66]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

No clue. I could always take a picture of that too - but honestly, at this point, if it fails in another few years, Ill just buy a new monitor. By that time, LED monitors will have become the standard and Ill just end up replacing it with a much nicer version.

Hahaha.

And this is how capitalism works! The manufacturer screws the customer over, so the customer has to buy a new product every few years.

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

Yes. If it worked before, it should work again. What caps are on the new PSU board? It might be a good idea to recap it if you plan to keep it for any more than a few years - or you'll go through the same problem again.

No clue. I could always take a picture of that too - but honestly, at this point, if it fails in another few years, Ill just buy a new monitor. By that time, LED monitors will have become the standard and Ill just end up replacing it with a much nicer version.

Hahaha.

[tom66]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

But like I said - dont put TOO much time/effort into this. If it comes down to having to do soldering, Id rather just drop the $20 on the mainboard and have it free 2 day shipped. That way, since I know the LCD display is fine, and the power/inverter board was JUST replaced, the last thing left is the stupid mainboard. Fix that and EFFECTIVELY, the monitor SHOULD work like new, right?

Yes. If it worked before, it should work again. What caps are on the new PSU board? It might be a good idea to recap it if you plan to keep it for any more than a few years - or you'll go through the same problem again.

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

I have burnt myself many times on a soldering iron. The worst place is the fingernail. You can't feel it but you can later smell it alright!!! Urrrgh!

Flux isn't necessary for most soldering as most good solder contains it. I can get a "fire-starter" soldering iron which will do the job for most cap jobs for £5 here. I generally use a temperature controlled Aoyue 968 which cost £130 though... I would not recommend Aoyue as it has just proven really unreliable. Or I use my butane powered iron.

For the pic, can you get a 2000x2000 or closer pic of your board? The EEPROM part numbers are very small and the ShopJimmy pic doesn't show them well.

Well, most places around here that sell soldering irons are pretty crappy, unless I do an online order. Im in the USA, and houston, so there are plenty of places, but none I could get for under $10 easy. I think the last one I had was from Radio Shack and it was a huge piece of junk...same with the solder. Id have to find something at a specialty tech place, and even then, i dont think it would be under $20 easy for everything (iron + solder).

I can most definitely get you a better pic of the board when I get home. My phone does 5megapixels, so that should give you at least a pretty decent picture of it. Ill make sure to at the very easy clean it up so you can identify stuff.

But like I said - dont put TOO much time/effort into this. If it comes down to having to do soldering, Id rather just drop the $20 on the mainboard and have it free 2 day shipped. That way, since I know the LCD display is fine, and the power/inverter board was JUST replaced, the last thing left is the stupid mainboard. Fix that and EFFECTIVELY, the monitor SHOULD work like new, right?

[tom66]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

When I get home, Ill take apart the monitor again (piece of junk plastics) and post pictures of it.

And Id still have to go out and BUY a soldering iron, solder AND flux. Honestly, I just dont have very steady hands AT ALL or I wouldve replaced the caps on the power/inverter board myself. Generally with a soldering iron I tend to burn myself and things around me. Also, I used to do cable soldering in the US Air Force but it wasnt small components but larger pieces...and even then...I was BAD...hahaha...

I have burnt myself many times on a soldering iron. The worst place is the fingernail. You can't feel it but you can later smell it alright!!! Urrrgh!

Flux isn't necessary for most soldering as most good solder contains it. I can get a "fire-starter" soldering iron which will do the job for most cap jobs for £5 here. I generally use a temperature controlled Aoyue 968 which cost £130 though... I would not recommend Aoyue as it has just proven really unreliable. Or I use my butane powered iron.

For the pic, can you get a 2000x2000 or closer pic of your board? The EEPROM part numbers are very small and the ShopJimmy pic doesn't show them well.

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

Post some detailed pictures of your board - I'll highlight them. Don't Panic!

It's difficult to solder badly, really. Here's a good tutorial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ

(For your use, you don't even need a temperature controlled iron.)

When I get home, Ill take apart the monitor again (piece of junk plastics) and post pictures of it.

And Id still have to go out and BUY a soldering iron, solder AND flux. Honestly, I just dont have very steady hands AT ALL or I wouldve replaced the caps on the power/inverter board myself. Generally with a soldering iron I tend to burn myself and things around me. Also, I used to do cable soldering in the US Air Force but it wasnt small components but larger pieces...and even then...I was BAD...hahaha...

Ive tried resetting the monitor a number of times using the buttons, but its kinda yielded no results other than 'blink blink - nope, still messed up'.

We'll see if we cant find a quick fix solution, but honestly, if it gets to the time where soldering is the only option - Ill probably skip buying the iron/solder/flux and just spend the $20 on the mainboard and replace it.

Call me lazy - I just dont wanna burn myself (proven fact). Hahaha.

(edit) http://www.shopjimmy.com/cmo-35-d012479-main-board.htm - this is the mainboard BTW. You CAN large picture it to see where things are.

[tom66]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

This is where it gets tricky for me - as Im generally a L1 and L2 tech. This is almost getting into the realm of L3 with messing with the internal components of a board.

How would I know which pins to short on my LCM-22w3? I would have to find some sort of technical schematics for the board right? And there, identify which pins? I think I still have my multimeter at home, to pull readings off of, but then how do I short it?

Post some detailed pictures of your board - I'll highlight them. Don't Panic!

Soldering (Im TERRIBLE at soldering)?

It's difficult to solder badly, really. Here's a good tutorial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ

(For your use, you don't even need a temperature controlled iron.)

[Xaeonis]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

Yes, you can try it. There is no harm in doing it due to how I2C works. (Floating bus lines... it's complicated.)

This is where it gets tricky for me - as Im generally a L1 and L2 tech. This is almost getting into the realm of L3 with messing with the internal components of a board.

How would I know which pins to short on my LCM-22w3? I would have to find some sort of technical schematics for the board right? And there, identify which pins? I think I still have my multimeter at home, to pull readings off of, but then how do I short it? Soldering (Im TERRIBLE at soldering)?

There is a standard format for EDID. You will need to create a new file with new data in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extende...ification_data

You probably don't need to worry about the actual manufacturer, as the monitor and computer probably doesn't care about that. The other parameters will have to be estimated, and that's the tricky part.

Ugggg. This sounds a lot more complicated than $20. Hahaha.
I honestly dont even know where to begin when it comes to this level of technical support. Id have to have a file to work from, or create one from scratch, both options are a bit out of my league.

I could give you the CURRENT EDID data from the monitor, but we've already established that that is pretty messed up and wouldnt work right, correct?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extende...ification_data - just took a look at this - LOOOOOL. I would have NO FREAKIN IDEA where to start doing this. This is crazy. Hahahaha....

[tom66]

Re: LCM-22w3 new board, but display problems

Okay okay. I think we are getting into the realm of crap that I can handle, but seems like a really hard thing for me to get into.

I completely understand that bad caps can trash other components. Understood and acknowledged.

Could I, by myself, without any unique equipment, short these pins and bring the monitor to reset the EEPROM data?

Yes, you can try it. There is no harm in doing it due to how I2C works. (Floating bus lines... it's complicated.)

Also try the one near the main processor; there's likely one just for user settings and configuration and one for each VGA or DVI port. EDID might not be your only problem, if the main configuration is confused. I also assume you've done a factory reset?

If not, how would I go about reprogramming it from the computer? I mean, Im sure there are EEPROM data writers out there for monitors, but really, how would I go about it? Save the EDID data stripped from it, send it to you, you reprogram it? Wouldnt you have to have the detailed information for what the monitor is SUPPOSED to do in the first place?

There is a standard format for EDID. You will need to create a new file with new data in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extende...ification_data

You probably don't need to worry about the actual manufacturer, as the monitor and computer probably doesn't care about that. The other parameters will have to be estimated, and that's the tricky part.