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  • shaisudri
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    • Oct 2011
    • 3
    #1

    Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

    hey guys, this is my first post in this forum so i hope im doing everything right

    so i hava a Samsung Syncmaster 740n that stopped working properly (blue led was on but no picture)
    i did a little reserch and found out that the three 820mf 25v capacitors on the power board were bad, it took a while but i eventualy found a store that sells 820mf 25v caps, i bought them and replaced the caps.
    when i tested it out (before reassembling the plastic casing) i could see that the lcd was working, however the backlight was not.

    what do think the problem is? and how can i fix it?

    - when i reassembeled the screen to the board i accidentaly connected bouth of the pink/white cables to the place where the black/green should be (see image - http://img683.*************/img683/4687/asdfkk.jpg ), and turned it on for like 4 seconds, could it burn out the backlight bulb?
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    • retiredcaps
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2010
      • 9271
      #2
      Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

      Originally posted by shaisudri
      what do think the problem is? and how can i fix it?
      1) Post pictures of your boards using the manage attachments button so the picture is hosted here.

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      2) Some boards have a picofuse near the inverter area. If it is bad, the backlight will not come on. A good fuse will measure less than 1.0 ohms.
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        • shaisudri
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          • Oct 2011
          • 3
          #3
          Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

          i found the white/pink & black/green image on google, its just to show which cables im talking about.
          but here are the pics of my board (sorry lol .. as i said im new here )
          i dont have a multimeter right now but i'll try to get one today to check the fuse

          any other pictures needed?
          Attached Files

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            • PlainBill
              Badcaps Legend
              • Feb 2009
              • 7034
              • USA
              #4
              Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

              Were the backlights working before you replaced the caps?

              You seem to have installed Nichicon KZE caps, those should be good. In general, replacing only a few caps is a recipe for continuing problems. Congratulations.

              CN2 connects the power supply to the signal card. Pins 3, 4, and 5 are ground. What are the voltages on the other pins using any of the ground pins as reference?

              There is a 16 pin IC in the inverter area, U201. What is the part number on that IC?

              PlainBill
              For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

              Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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                • shaisudri
                  New Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 3
                  #5
                  Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                  Originally posted by PlainBill
                  Were the backlights working before you replaced the caps?

                  You seem to have installed Nichicon KZE caps, those should be good. In general, replacing only a few caps is a recipe for continuing problems. Congratulations.

                  CN2 connects the power supply to the signal card. Pins 3, 4, and 5 are ground. What are the voltages on the other pins using any of the ground pins as reference?

                  There is a 16 pin IC in the inverter area, U201. What is the part number on that IC?

                  PlainBill
                  i dont think the backlight worked before i replaced them.

                  sorry, im a total amateur... i dont really know how to check CN2 and i dont have a multimeter at the moment.

                  "BIT3195G F343R G0606" is written on the IC

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                    • UniT3d
                      Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 43
                      #6
                      Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                      Hmmm .....

                      Should check F301 3A pico fuse, replace if opened. If still doesn't work, check U202 and U203, AM4502C.

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                        • jayoung
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 172
                          #7
                          Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                          Originally posted by gammo
                          Checked my F301 and it read 3.1 ohms. So it means that it needs to be replaced, right?
                          What reading do you get when you touch the two probes together?

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                            • POM_MJ
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 228
                              #8
                              Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                              I think those new caps are fake.
                              KZE made by United Chemi-con, their vent mark must be Y shape.
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                                • Scenic
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                                  • Sep 2007
                                  • 2640
                                  • Germany
                                  #9
                                  Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                  ^ lol
                                  I was just about to write the same thing. dodgy sleeve + wrong vent

                                  Seeing how old the thread is, and when shaisudri last posted, I don't think it's relevant anymore.

                                  @gammo: a fuse should read close to zero when it's ok, and open (0L on most digital multimeters) when open/failed

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                                    • jayoung
                                      Senior Member
                                      • May 2011
                                      • 172
                                      #10
                                      Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                      A good fuse will have just about the same resistance reading as when the two probes are touched together. A bad fuse will read overlimit (OL or 1 on the left side of the screen). You could check the reading on your fuse again, but it appears the fuse is probably OK. If it was open, you would get overlimit (open). As another option, if possible, is to measure the voltage on both sides of the fuse. If you get the same voltage reading on both sides, then the fuse is allowing the voltage to pass through.
                                      Last edited by jayoung; 12-07-2011, 11:55 AM.

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                                        • gammo
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                                          • Dec 2011
                                          • 4
                                          #11
                                          Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                          Here is my question and the subsequent follow up answers that I received earlier:

                                          My 740N comes on but I see nothing but the blue power light. When I tilt the monitor at an angle, I am able to see that there is something there, just no backlight. Following PlainBill's recommendation, I checked the voltages at CN2 and got the following:

                                          Ground to 13V - 16V
                                          Ground to 5.1V - 5V
                                          Ground to ON/OFF - 2V
                                          Ground to A-DIM - 0V
                                          Ground to B-DIM - 0V

                                          I have already replaced the three 830 uF capacitors on the inverter circuit. When I checked my F301 fuse, it read 3.1 ohms. jayoung asked what reading I got when I touched the two probes together - the reading was fluctuating between 0.9 and 2.4 ohms.

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                                            • retiredcaps
                                              Badcaps Legend
                                              • Apr 2010
                                              • 9271
                                              #12
                                              Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                              Originally posted by gammo
                                              When I checked my F301 fuse, it read 3.1 ohms. jayoung asked what reading I got when I touched the two probes together - the reading was fluctuating between 0.9 and 2.4 ohms.
                                              Either your probes are shot (internal wiring is fraying) and/or your multimeter battery is dying (causes inaccurate readings).
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                                                • gammo
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                                                  • Dec 2011
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                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                  Originally posted by retiredcaps
                                                  Either your probes are shot (internal wiring is fraying) and/or your multimeter battery is dying (causes inaccurate readings).
                                                  Good point. I changed the probes and got a more stable reading:

                                                  Touching the probes - 0.4 ohms
                                                  F301 value - 0.4 ohms

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                                                    • gammo
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                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                      • 4
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                      Originally posted by jayoung
                                                      As another option, if possible, is to measure the voltage on both sides of the fuse. If you get the same voltage reading on both sides, then the fuse is allowing the voltage to pass through.
                                                      The voltage reading on either side of the fuse is -6V.

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                                                        • alexanna
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                                                          • Mar 2010
                                                          • 1346
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                          Originally posted by gammo
                                                          The voltage reading on either side of the fuse is -6V.
                                                          6 volts is very low.
                                                          You should check the 2 MOSFETs for being shorted. One looks to be U203 and I can't read the other
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                                                            • gammo
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                                                              • Dec 2011
                                                              • 4
                                                              #16
                                                              Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                              After an exhaustive search, I finally found the U202 and U203 MOSFETs. Unfortunately, my DMM does not have a diode test mode. How else can I check if there is a short?

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                                                                • retiredcaps
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                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                  • 9271
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                                  Originally posted by gammo
                                                                  Unfortunately, my DMM does not have a diode test mode. How else can I check if there is a short?
                                                                  Measure resistance between source-gate, source-drain, drain-gate. Any reading under 30 Ohms suggests a short and should be measured out of circuit to verify.
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                                                                    • Jules385
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                                                                      • Oct 2011
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                                      Had same problem. It was f301.

                                                                      Everything ok now.

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                                                                        • levsanpro
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                                                                          • Apr 2013
                                                                          • 1
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Re: Samsung 740n no backlight after cap replacement

                                                                          Yes man it's working you are best...

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                                                                            • HaxLi
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                                                                              • Apr 2013
                                                                              • 1
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                                                                              F301

                                                                              Sorry for questio, but where is that F301 fuse?

                                                                              Edit: found it on another thread
                                                                              Last edited by HaxLi; 04-09-2013, 04:58 PM.

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