Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

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  • Electone
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    • Mar 2016
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    Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

    First post here. I have been recapping some of my audio equipment for the past year with good success. My next project is my 1980's era Yamaha C-40 preamp. I was surprised when I cracked it open and saw a bunch of very high quality caps right from the factory - Black Gates, high end Nichis, Elna "For Audio", etc.

    Many of the caps on the board are no longer manufactured, so I'm trying to match up the closest equivalent manufactured today. The two caps that have me stumped are:

    Nichicon SE
    Nichicon KS

    What would be their equivalent replacements today?
  • Khron
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    • Sep 2006
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    • Finland

    #2
    Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

    KS seem to still be manufactured, and Digikey stock them, apparently.

    http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/pa...s-series/41564

    Regarding the SE's, can't really find any information. I've found ES, which are (also) "for audio", but that's about it.
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    • Electone
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      • Mar 2016
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      #3
      Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

      Thanks for that. Looks like they still use the "KS" name, but they are nothing like what is in the pre-amp. The new ones are large snap-ins, whereas the KS in the pre-amp are green, say "Muse" on them and are much smaller value.

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      • Khron
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        • Sep 2006
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        Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

        Muse should still be in production, albeit likely with other series names.

        Pick your favourites - the audio series are at the end of the table, with links to their respective datasheets:
        http://www.nichicon.co.jp/english/pr...ini/index.html
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        • Electone
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          #5
          Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

          Originally posted by Khron
          Muse should still be in production, albeit likely with other series names.

          Pick your favourites - the audio series are at the end of the table, with links to their respective datasheets:
          http://www.nichicon.co.jp/english/pr...ini/index.html
          Excellent. I think I'll use the Fine Gold Muse series.

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          • Logistics
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            • Apr 2007
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            #6
            Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

            Did you ever make any progress on this?

            I picked up a C-85, and am thinking about refreshing it, along with an M-35 I have.

            Happy listening.
            Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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            • Longbow
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              #7
              Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

              Before you waste a lot time and money replacing caps, why don't you put it on a distortion analyzer and see if there are any problems? How does the unit sound right now?
              Is it plugged in?

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              • Logistics
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                • Apr 2007
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                #8
                Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

                I'm not sure if you're speaking to me or the OP, but my C-85 sounds great, in that it has amazing imaging/separation, and very full sound. And while the highs are very non-fatiguing, they seem to be a bit hashed at times. BUT one other variable I want to change before I do anything else is the sound card. I'm using an X-Fi Extreme Music, at the moment. However, I never play games, anymore so I'm going to swap my old M-Audio Delta 410 back in, and see how it sounds -- I get proper RCA jacks on the breakout cable that way, too.
                Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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                • Khron
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                  • Sep 2006
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                  Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

                  Silly question perhaps, but do you happen to have any acoustic treatment on any of your walls?
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                  • Logistics
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                    • Apr 2007
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                    #10
                    Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

                    If you're speaking to me (nobody wants to use quotes in this thread) then I use headphones
                    Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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                    • Logistics
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                      Re: Yamaha C-40 pre-amp recap

                      I just wanted to give an update: I finally found the appropriate drivers for the Delta 410 (M-Audio uses a unified driver for the Delta family, now but doesn't direct you appropriately when searching for Win7 drivers for the 410) and got it up and running. It sounds significantly better than the X-Fi--many more sounds and instruments I didn't notice in the recordings with the X-Fi. And many of the sounds now have more resolution in that a sound I dismissed as a mild form of percussion, before is now obviously a person's hand slapping against something, I can hear guitar picks scratching against the strings or breathing that wasn't evident in the recording, before. And soundstage is much larger.

                      This old Yamaha equipment is great stuff, and I feel sad for anyone who might not be able to appreciate them because their latest-greatest soundcard or source in general is inferior to an old, professional card.

                      I can't help but wonder what the OP is using as a source.
                      Presonus Audiobox USB, Schiit Magni 3, Sony MDR-V700

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