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    SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

    Hi, all. I would like to ask for your opinion, guys. It is about capacitor replacement, but please read the description:

    I have these wireless SONY headphones MDR-RF820R, which work OK most of the times. However, the transmitter (base) would sometimes behave as if it had a drop of power. This happens very shortly after it is put in use (powered on), and would repeat this loss of power on its own and in random cycles. The "Power ON" LED would blink for a second, and the whole base would shut down for that bit of a second at the same time, then immediately resume back to normal - as if somebody quickly unplugged and then replugged the power cord. While this power outage occurs, because of an obvious signal loss, the headphones produce a very loud and unpleasant scratching sound during that bit of a second. So if I am in the middle of some listening to the music, this literally hurts my ears, especially if the volume is higher. As soon as the base resumes its operation, the headphones work normal as they are receiving the signal again.

    Because it is the base that showed this weird behavior, I opened it up. Upon opening the base, all the capacitors inside are Rubycon YX series and they are mostly 50V 47uF or 10uF, except for the three larger capacitors which are 16V, 220uF and they are all Sam Young SHL series. None of the capacitors looked bulgy or somehow suspicious.

    Now, while testing, I put three Rubycons on the soldering places of these three Sam Youngs (one for each of them) just to see if there would be a difference. I chose them because following the paths on the board all of them were connected to the main power and negative lead, so I though they are probably there to provide stable current or something. The Rubycons I've connected were 16V, 470uF, YXG series (I had those at my disposal). The problem immidiately disappeared! Now, can you tell me, can I remove these Sam Youngs and replace them with these Rubycons which are twice as much the capacitance? Is this difference in capacitance safe?

    The base is powered by an AC-DC adaptor which outputs a 9V DC.
    Thanks in advance for your suggestions, I would really like to fix this if possible. I stopped using them because of the constant anticipation of the unpleasant sound while listening to something.
    Last edited by UserXP; 03-05-2014, 04:18 PM.

    #2
    Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

    More capacitance the more inrush current when the unit is first power up, so it depends on how much the inrush current the rectifier diodes and the transformer can handle, once it is on it is OK, only when you first apply the power, you may be OK.
    Never stop learning
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    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
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      #3
      Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

      Thanks for the quick reply, Budm. I have no idea what those are . If you want me to read some markings on the surrounding components, feel free to ask. I can also try to make some clear pictures if that'll help, just tell what specifically to take picture of.

      The base is always plugged in, it powers on automatically as soon as it senses the audio signal from the equipment (in this case, the computer). If there is no audio signal for about 4 minutes, it shuts itself down and goes to "stand-by" mode, as the 9V DC plug is always plugged in and providing power (it is a separate AC-DC adaptor, like for cordless phones).

      So, the general idea is that these Rubycons should do the job? They won't get damaged, or something else damaged, because of this difference in capacitance?

      I tried comparing the data sheet, but with Sam Youngs, I couldn't get a hand of it and the datasheet was not very clear to me. I do not know the electronics and symbols, but I just wanted to compare the identical units and their values. But while Rubycon's datasheet has actual and clear values, Sam Young has them "in range, from-to". So I didn't quite understand...
      Last edited by UserXP; 03-05-2014, 04:50 PM.

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        #4
        Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

        The Rubycon is much better, high ripple current and low ESR, 105C rating, long life:
        https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...5648e9175f.pdf

        Samyoung is the general purpose 85c rating cap.
        https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...d928d89b06.pdf

        Three 220uF x 3 = 660uF (if all those 3 are connected in parallel, need pictures to verify), then 470uF x 2 = 940uF so you only need 2 Rubycon caps.
        Rubycon is the better cap.
        Attached Files
        Last edited by budm; 03-05-2014, 05:39 PM.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          #5
          Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

          Yes, I know they are better. I bought these a while a go for some other repair, and still have some left. So I thought I could put them in as a replacement, also all the caps on the board would then be from the same maker.
          OK, I will try and see how it works. If the annoying and ear-tearing sounds stop, it will deffinitely be a plus.

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            #6
            Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

            The Rubycon YXG you used should be okay, even though they are twice the capacitance. It takes A LOT of extra bulk capacitance to kill the rectifiers in those AC-DC adapters (both switching and linear).

            Now my only concern is where did you buy those Rubycon YXG capacitors? eBay? If yes, then please do post some pictures because the caps on eBay are often counterfeit.

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              #7
              Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

              Guys, I am so sorry, there was a typematic mistake made by me. The series is YXF, not YXG.
              Momaka, thanks for your input. There is a very big difference in how these headphones work now. The horrible "power loss" noise never reoccurred after mounting these Rubycon capacitors, obviously they do their job well. We bought these caps from this guy on eBay (this is the actual listing):
              http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Rubycon-Y...-/290751508758
              There were 10 pieces in the package, they look genuine. Do you think they are OK? I will post some pictures of the actual capacitors if you'd like.
              Last edited by UserXP; 03-23-2014, 04:25 PM.

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                #8
                Re: SONY MDR-RF820R capacitor replacement?

                Those are genuine, so you're good .
                Seller egekecu (also known as PCMCS) is one of the very, very few sellers on eBay that sells genuine capacitors.

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