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    How to find a faulty item

    I need to repair a device that uses a dual synchronous
    step-down switching regulator controller LTC3850.
    Datasheet is here

    Let's suppose it uses the typical application design according to the attached picture.
    How would you start to find out the faulty part if there is no
    Vout1, nor Vout2? The input voltage Vin is correct.
    Thank you for you ideas.
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    #2
    Re: How to find a faulty item

    check for shorted fets, capacitors etc, then try another chip.

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      #3
      Re: How to find a faulty item

      Thanks for the reply. How would you suggest checking shorted FETs?
      Desolder them and use a digital multimeter or use a scope in a circuit vith voltage?

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        #4
        Re: How to find a faulty item

        multimeter should be able to check while they are still on the board.

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          #5
          Re: How to find a faulty item

          The fact that neither half is working is suspicious. It is less likely that all of the FETs are shorted and more likely that something in common, like the 22uF cap, or the chip itself, is bad.

          I tend to start with the scope on a circuit like this. Pick a side. Is there anything at INTVcc (should be about 5V)? Are the TGx and BGx signals oscillating? If so, do you see anything at SWx (even once or a few times after powerup)? Are SENSEx+ and - doing anything (even once, or a few times after powerup)?

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            #6
            Re: How to find a faulty item

            if you look at page 9 you will see all the notes for the functions of each pin:
            PIN FUNCTIONS
            RUN1, RUN2 (Pins 1, 13/Pins 26, 9/Pins 27, 10): Run
            Control Inputs. A voltage above 1.2V on either pin turns
            on the IC. However, forcing either of these pins below 1.2V
            causes the IC to shut down that particular channel. There
            are 0.5µA pull-up currents for these pins. Once the RUN
            pin rises above 1.2V, an additional 4.5µA pull-up current
            is added to the pin.

            SENSE1+, SENSE2+ (Pins 2, 12/Pins 27, 8/Pins 28, 9):
            Current Sense Comparator Inputs. The (+) inputs to the
            current comparators are normally connected to DCR sensing
            networks or current sensing resistors.
            SENSE1–, SENSE2– (Pins 3, 11/Pins 28, 7/Pins 1, 8):
            Current Sense Comparator Inputs. The (–) inputs to the
            current comparators are connected to the outputs.
            TK/SS1, TK/SS2 (Pins 4, 10/Pins 1, 6/Pins 2, 7): Output
            Voltage Tracking and Soft-Start Inputs. When one channel
            is configured to be master of the two channels, a capacitor
            to ground at this pin sets the ramp rate for the master
            channel’s output voltage. When the channel is configured
            to be the slave of two channels, the VFB voltage of the
            master channel is reproduced by a resistor divider and
            applied to this pin. Internal soft-start currents of 1.3µA
            charge the soft-start capacitors.
            ITH1, ITH2 (Pins 5, 9/Pins 2, 5/Pins 3, 6): Current Control
            Thresholds and Error Amplifier Compensation Points.
            Each associated channels’ current comparator tripping
            threshold increases with its ITH control voltage.
            VFB1, VFB2 (Pins 6, 8/Pins 3, 4/Pins 4, 5): Error Amplifier
            Feedback Inputs. These pins receive the remotely sensed
            feedback voltages for each channel from external resistive
            dividers across the outputs.
            SGND (Pin 7/Pin 29/Pin 29): Signal Ground. All smallsignal
            components and compensation components should
            connect to this ground, which in turn connects to PGND
            at one point. Pin 29 is the Exposed Pad, only available on
            the UF package.
            EXTVCC (Pin 14, LTC3850-1 Only/Pin 11/Pin 12): External
            Power Input to an Internal Switch Connected to INTVCC.
            This switch closes and supplies the IC power, bypassing
            the internal low dropout regulator, whenever EXTVCC is
            higher than 4.7V. Do not exceed 6V on this pin and ensure
            VIN > VEXTVCC at all times. On the GN package, EXTVCC
            is the optional bonding in place of ILIM for LTC3850-1. In
            the LTC3850-1, ILIM will default to 50mV.
            ILIM (Pin 14, LTC3850 Only/Pin 10/Pin 11): Current
            Comparator Sense Voltage Range Inputs. Tying this pin to
            SGND, FLOAT or INTVCC sets the maximum current sense
            threshold to three different levels for each comparator.
            PGOOD (Pin 15/Pin 12/Pin 13): Power Good Indicator
            Output. Open-drain logic out that is pulled to ground when
            either channel output exceeds the ±7.5% regulation window,
            after the internal 17µs power bad mask timer expires.
            PGND (Pin 19/Pin 16/Pin 17): Power Ground Pin. Connect
            this pin closely to the sources of the bottom N-channel
            MOSFETs, the (–) terminal of CVCC and the (–) terminal
            of CIN.
            INTVCC (Pin 21/Pin 18/Pin 19): Internal 5V Regulator Output.
            The control circuits are powered from this voltage.
            Decouple this pin to PGND with a 4.7uF low ESR tantalum
            or ceramic capacitor.
            VIN (Pin 22/Pin 19/Pin 20): Main Input Supply. Decouple
            this pin to PGND with a capacitor (0.1uF to 1uF). For applications
            where the main input power is 5V, tie the VIN
            and INTVCC pins together.
            BG1, BG2 (Pins 23, 20/Pins 20, 17/Pins 21, 18): Bottom
            Gate Driver Outputs. These pins drive the gates of the
            bottom N-Channel MOSFETs and swings between PGND
            and INTVCC.
            BOOST1, BOOST2 (Pins 24, 18/Pins 21, 15/Pins 22, 16):
            Boosted Floating Driver Supplies. The (+) terminal of the
            boost-strap capacitors connect to these pins. These pins
            swing from a diode voltage drop below INTVCC up to VIN
            + INTVCC.
            TG1, TG2 (Pins 25, 17/Pins 22, 14/Pins 23, 15): Top Gate
            Driver Outputs. These are the outputs of floating drivers
            with a voltage swing equal to INTVCC superimposed on
            the switch nodes voltages.
            SW1, SW2 (Pins 26, 16/Pins 23, 13/Pins 24, 14): Switch
            Node Connections to Inductors. Voltage swing at these
            pins are from a body diode voltage drop below ground
            to VIN.

            So do you have the actual board so you can find out if all the control signals are present, I.E RUNx?
            Attached Files
            Last edited by budm; 11-19-2015, 05:56 PM.
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