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  • spoksta
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    • Jun 2014
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    #1

    function?

    Can someone tell me what this is?
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  • audiofreak19
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Apr 2013
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    #2
    Re: function?

    Here is the data sheet for what it is and how it works.

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    • mariushm
      Badcaps Legend
      • May 2011
      • 3799

      #3
      Re: function?

      A simple google search for what it's written on the chip says what it is.



      General-purpose BA10358/BA10324A family and high-reliability BA2904 /BA2902 family integrate two or four independent
      Op-Amps and phase compensation capacitors on a single chip and have some features of high-gain, low power consumption, and operating voltage range of 3[V] to 32[V] (single power supply ). BA3404 family is realized high speed
      operation and reduces the crossover distortions that compare with BA10358 family.

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      • spoksta
        Member
        • Jun 2014
        • 20
        • United States

        #4
        Re: function?

        Its on the invertor board? Of a samsung lnt3242hx/xaa, it has sound and picture but no back light, if I jump the terminals together my back light works agaim
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        • spoksta
          Member
          • Jun 2014
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          #5
          Re: function?

          I tried Google search but wasn't sure what it was talking about :-(

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: function?

            The backlights come on and stay on and you can see normal pictures?
            You basically connected pin 4 (+VCC) o the non-invert input pin 3 of the Opamp which will make pin 1 output pin to go high. I have no idea what that IC is being used for in that section of the circuit, you should check the DC voltage at pin 1 without jumping pin 3 to pin 4 see what you get, then when the pins are jumped.
            Also post the whole picture of this inverter board so I can tell you where to check and see if it is getting the bl_on (inverter_on) signal or not.
            Last edited by budm; 07-02-2014, 09:47 PM.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • spoksta
              Member
              • Jun 2014
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              #7
              Re: function?

              Sorry I work long hours, but yes I let it play like that's for about 5 mins and everything seemed fine, this is the board
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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: function?

                Check the DC voltage on the ON/OFF pin on the inverter board when TV is OFF and when TV is ON, then report the readings. You can see the connector pin out printed close to the connector.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • spoksta
                  Member
                  • Jun 2014
                  • 20
                  • United States

                  #9
                  Re: function?

                  I'm not sure I have the right meter for this, its 0 off 4.17v on, if I reverse the ground and positive. Its 14.13?? Please be patient on this with me...
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                  • mariushm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • May 2011
                    • 3799

                    #10
                    Re: function?

                    You have several lamps in that tv, each with its transformer ... from each transformer there's a signal which tells if the current used by the lamp is too high, or maybe if the lamp turned on or not.

                    The signal coming in the opamp may be a sort of "sum" of all signals coming from all those transformers, so if the voltage is too high, the opamp will turn off the whole set of lamps to protect the transformer/driver etc etc.
                    The incoming signal is compared to a "good" voltage level and if you signal voltage is too high, there's a problem with the lamps.

                    By shorting the pins, you're probably disabling the opamp so the protection is skipped and the lamps stay on, but if there's a problem with one of the fluorescent tubes or with one driver/transformer, you may have problems in the future (overheating, maybe it's loose wire at a fluorescent tube or something like that, maybe tube is just too old and uses too much current...)

                    I'm just guessing though...

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: function?

                      So the BL_ON signal is fine, beside what mariushm had indicated, we do not what that pin 1 output pin of the Opamp goes to, without diagram, will never know unless you will try to trace out the wiring on that inverter board and draw up the diagram to see how it is put together.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • spoksta
                        Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 20
                        • United States

                        #12
                        Re: function?

                        Is the blue pin 1?? And does the connectors in green look OK? There's quite a few dark spots like that on the board? The other boards look fine visually
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                        • spoksta
                          Member
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 20
                          • United States

                          #13
                          Re: function?

                          It appears to run to e-pwm?? I could be wrong I it runs under a connector so I kind of lose it for a min

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: function?

                            Yes, that is output pin 1. I cannot see well on the blue circle.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: function?

                              So what voltage do you have on the white connector I_PWM and E_PWM? Check in DC mode and in AC mode.
                              Last edited by budm; 07-04-2014, 08:00 PM.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • spoksta
                                Member
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 20
                                • United States

                                #16
                                Re: function?

                                E doesn't read?? I is 23.7 and 14.35??

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                                • budm
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Feb 2010
                                  • 40746
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: function?

                                  "I is 23.7 and 14.35" is that 23.7VDC and 14.35VAC? or mV? It is way too high.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                  • spoksta
                                    Member
                                    • Jun 2014
                                    • 20
                                    • United States

                                    #18
                                    Re: function?

                                    Vac I believe, I'm pretty sure I jus killed it :-(

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                                    • spoksta
                                      Member
                                      • Jun 2014
                                      • 20
                                      • United States

                                      #19
                                      Re: function?

                                      These are fuses right? The were three ohms before the thing I asked in the first post kinna popped? Now the back light doesn't come on at all and they read 15.21 and 23.11 volts now...
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                                      • spoksta
                                        Member
                                        • Jun 2014
                                        • 20
                                        • United States

                                        #20
                                        Re: function?

                                        These were also roughly 24v when I started now the two in blue are still 23-24, the 2 in red are 2.224 also all the cconnectors to the lamps were 14.4 volts now the black one hhas no reading... The pins all still read fine, so the power doard is still functioning isn't it?
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