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Old 06-23-2010, 04:37 PM   #1
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Default Power Mac G4 MDD "Mirror-Door" won't power up

I have a second G4 that has decided not to power up. The fuse is NOT blown. When you press the power button, the power button's light turns on for as long as it is pressed, but from there, nothing happens. I have checked and I do get 25V on the 25V "trickle" line.

This happened after a power outage. I have already tried pulling the NVRAM battery and pressing the CUDA switch. No difference. I therefore assume it's the power supply.

This is the Apple P/N: 614-0224, Samsung PSCF401601.

Any suggestions on where to go from here?
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:36 PM   #2
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Default Re: Power Mac G4 MDD "Mirror-Door" won't power up

Measure the voltage on the battery, try unplugging the monitor. If it powers up with the monitor unplugged, plug it back in once it's on and see if it keeps running.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:32 PM   #3
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Default Re: Power Mac G4 MDD "Mirror-Door" won't power up

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I have a second G4 that has decided not to power up. The fuse is NOT blown. When you press the power button, the power button's light turns on for as long as it is pressed, but from there, nothing happens. I have checked and I do get 25V on the 25V "trickle" line.

This happened after a power outage. I have already tried pulling the NVRAM battery and pressing the CUDA switch. No difference. I therefore assume it's the power supply.

This is the Apple P/N: 614-0224, Samsung PSCF401601.

Any suggestions on where to go from here?
It's the PSU. MDDs had notoriously bad ones. Open it up and see if it had simultaneously thrown every cap like my Samsung one had, or if it's got a scorch on the back of the circuit board like another one I saw.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:29 PM   #4
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Default Re: Power Mac G4 MDD "Mirror-Door" won't power up

Battery is 3.6V. I was already trying w/ monitor unplugged.

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Old 06-24-2010, 03:31 PM   #5
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It's the PSU. MDDs had notoriously bad ones. Open it up and see if it had simultaneously thrown every cap like my Samsung one had, or if it's got a scorch on the back of the circuit board like another one I saw.
It appears normal. Didn't notice anything odd when I had it open the other day. But I'm pretty sure you're right about it being bad.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:02 PM   #6
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Samsung's on no-start are a few small caps down behind the PWM board next to the center/larger heatsink with the primary switchers on it. The little board is mounted upright next to the heatsink and the caps to be replaced require you to remove the entire heatsink and components. MIND THE THERMISTOR!!! Desoldering station makes it a 5 minute job. Wick and iron, 10 minutes.

Again, check the primary cap as you have on the other G4. If it's CapXon HP, replace it. These can go "weak" and not blow the fuse or switchers.

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Old 06-25-2010, 08:36 AM   #7
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Is this panasonic a good model to replace the cRapXon cap?

Manufacturer:
PANASONIC
Order Code:
1198628
Manufacturer Part No:
EETED2G471EA
RoHS : Yes
Description
CAPACITOR, 470UF, 400V
Capacitor Dielectric Type:Aluminium Electrolytic
Capacitance:470F
Capacitance Tolerance: 20%
Voltage Rating:400V dc
Effective Series Resistance:282mohm
Series:TSED
Height:40mm
Outside Diameter:35mm
Capacitor Case Style:Radial Leaded
No. of Pins:2
Mounting Type:Snap-In
Lead Spacing:10mm
Operating Temperature Range:-25C to +105C
AC Ripple Current:2.01A
AC Ripple Current @ 120Hz:2.01A
Application:High Temperature
Body Diameter:35mm
Case Style:Radial
ESR Frequency:120Hz
External Length / Height:40mm
Max Operating Temperature:105C
Min Temperature Operating:-25C
Operating Lifetime:3000h
PCB Hole Diameter:2mm
Ripple Current Frequency:120Hz
Ripple Current Temperature:105C
Terminal Type:Snap-In
Tolerance, +:20%
Tolerance, -:20%
Voltage Rating DC:400V

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Old 06-25-2010, 09:13 AM   #8
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[QUOTE=cyclones]Is this panasonic a good model to replace the cRapXon cap?

Manufacturer:
PANASONIC
Order Code:
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Manufacturer Part No:
EETED2G471EA
RoHS : Yes
Description
CAPACITOR, 470UF, 400V
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Turns out I need 420V, but other than that is it OK?
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:41 AM   #9
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why 420v?
rectified 240v - the highest you ever need is about 360vdc
a lot of mains caps are only rated at 380v
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:00 AM   #10
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why 420v?
rectified 240v - the highest you ever need is about 360vdc
a lot of mains caps are only rated at 380v
420v is the rating on the original cap.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:43 AM   #11
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Cyclones - Where are you located. Please fill out the location in your profile. Since that cap info seems to be a direct copy from Farnell....., Europe?


My choices have been Panasonic HB, HC; CDE 381L*; UCC KMQ (390F/450v).

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Old 06-25-2010, 12:37 PM   #12
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Not in Europe; farnell was the first result that came up which had ripple current listed.
updated profile.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:02 PM   #13
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:41 PM   #14
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OK, so toasty are these the ones you speak of?
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:51 PM   #15
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:56 PM   #16
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How the hell do you guys get those heatsinks out. There must be a way to pull the caps without taking it off. I can't see myself desoldering all that. what if you just unscrew the components and pull away the heatsink.
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You are welcome to try, liebchen.
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Old 07-02-2010, 10:52 AM   #18
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How the hell do you guys get those heatsinks out. There must be a way to pull the caps without taking it off. I can't see myself desoldering all that. what if you just unscrew the components and pull away the heatsink.
You need a good desoldering iron. If you don't have one, it's a great investment. Without one, you might as well not even try. You want a vacuum one. A decent one (non-motor) is in the $50 range I think. The one I have was given to me as a gift. DON'T mess with the crappy bulb-type ones at radio shack. They're just above worthless.

I'll post pictures of the board shortly that show which you need to desolder in order to get it out.

The thermistor is a real b*tch. That is the only issue. So you must have everything desoldered fully and then SLOWLY work the heat sink up EVENLY.


Also, here's an update. I replaced those three caps with new Panasonics and now the G4 powers up every time. THANKS TOASTY!!!!
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Excellent work! Thanks for posting the results & glad you got it fixed!

Hint on the thermistor: Unsoldering it first relieves the tension on its legs. Make sure its wires are *completely free* in the holes. Then proceed to unsolder the rest of the components.

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Old 07-02-2010, 02:02 PM   #20
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Here are the photos as promised. Hopefully this will be helpful in the future.
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