The 2021 Operating System Thread

[sofTest]

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It does, but using search is superior IMO.

Yes and no, IMHO. If you know what to search for, yes, otherwise you might want another quick way to the configs.

[diif]

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You guys tried out "God Mode"? Still works and useful in W10. If not, Google...

It does, but using search is superior IMO.

[sofTest]

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You guys tried out "God Mode"? Still works and useful in W10. If not, Google...

[Uranium-235]

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You can emulate XP taskbar behavior by creating a new toolbar, and putting shortcuts in that folder you made for new shortcuts. Make the icons big, get rid of the taskbar name, and show the icon name if you want

[momaka]

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So they knew 10 was going to be a turd so they knobbled 7 so we'd appreciate 10 more ?

Well no, but I think you know what I mean.

7 built up on a lot of features that XP had, but it also ended up dropping a number of them - and this is not just something related to searching. I'm talking in general. And it mainly has to do with what Vista was before it. In Vista, they added a lot of crap that didn't need to be there. So with 7, they just fixed some of the crap in Vista and polished it a bit more. In simple terms, 7 is what Vista should have been.

In regards to search...
Windows XP had a robust and well-understood file search system.
In 7, MS kind of modified that to be more of a "content" search, rather than just a file search system. And in the process, they ended up dropping a few features that actually were quite helpful. Also, Windows 7 search acts rather retarded sometimes without the file Indexing Service... and Indexing Service is retarded in itself (I call it Disk I/O Wasting Service.) In XP, you can turn Indexing Service off and you still get good accurate results. 7? -Not always. And since Win7 search was "simplified" (can't do * searching, along with a few other small options), it actually makes looking for files more cumbersome.

But again, XP search was merely meant for files, and not so much content, which is what 7 tried to do, but ended up being somewhat of a failure IMO while dropping features from XP that should really have stayed. Windows 10 search is probably what they had in mind for 7... and on that note, I'm OK with Windows 10 search.

What really annoys me about 10 is the double Control Panel mix up. They should have kept it the way it was in 7 and not take anything from W8 crap Metro interface.

The way it handles installed programs (or more appropriately, apps) vs. standalone EXE/COM/BAT standalone executables is also retarted, as Televizora noted a few pages back.

There's more stuff, but I'd rather not make a detailed list here. It's mostly small things, but they add up. And it's the same way with 7, which is why I still haven't switched to it yet - not as a main desktop OS. I only use it for gaming (while it's still possible) and testing/using newer "apps" that don't or can't work properly on XP / XP hardware.

I use search to avoid clicking though the white UI.

I have no need for that, usually.
At least on my main desktop, I have customized the UI and start menu to a point where I can open/find things simply from muscle memory. It's the same reason I absolutely hate taskbar button grouping and shrinking to an icon (what Vista and any later version of Windows does by default.) I have good visual and muscle memory, so when I open a bunch of windows, I can go between each in an instant. With grouping, I have to hoover over it with the mouse (especially if I have, say, 10 Word documents open, and they are all bunched up into 1 button on the taskbar) and then see which one I was looking for every time... or as I often do when I'm forced to use a silly interface like that, I just Alt-Tab or Shift-Alt-Tab, because clicking through grouped bastardized taskbar buttons really pisses me off.

I also like right click menu on the Windows logo.

That one is convenient, I give it that.

[Topcat]

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I like Win10 because it was free

There's a gazillion ways to get it for free.....but the denutting process takes a lot of time....

[diif]

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Well, yeah, that's because they bastardized that feature in Windows Vista/7. Search in XP was pretty decent... and if not content with that, there were a few light-weight add-ons that improved it in some aspects (and no, Google Desktop Search was NOT one of them.)

So they knew 10 was going to be a turd so they knobbled 7 so we'd appreciate 10 more ?

I use search to avoid clicking though the white UI.
I also like right click menu on the Windows logo. I haven't been a fan of 10 up until I started my new job and got a nice laptop with 10 on, it's the slickest/fastest machine I've ever used even with 10 on and I've enabled dark mode so the UI is bearable.

[momaka]

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Search is better

Well, yeah, that's because they bastardized that feature in Windows Vista/7. Search in XP was pretty decent... and if not content with that, there were a few light-weight add-ons that improved it in some aspects (and no, Google Desktop Search was NOT one of them.)

[Offscreen6]

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I have Windows 10 on my home PC, but with how buggy and unstable it was with my old one, I'm seriously considering switching over to Linux when I get a new laptop.

[ivtec]

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I like Win10 because it was free, and does all i need, things that i can't do with linux
.i have 4 machines with it,,but i wouldn't pay for it for sure,and other 3, one with vista and 2 with linux.

[diif]

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Search is better, RSAT Feature on demand and built in dark mode.

[Topcat]

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^ So what exactly are those "tasks" that make Windows 10 so much better than 7?
Perhaps if you care to explain, that might give your argument a bit more credibility. Just sayin'

I was kind of thinking the same thing myself.

[momaka]

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^ So what exactly are those "tasks" that make Windows 10 so much better than 7?
Perhaps if you care to explain, that might give your argument a bit more credibility. Just sayin'

[Zmok]

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Win10 across the board... Whenever i need to use w7 for some task, i always feel like throwing the laptop out of the window after 30minutes of use or so. Why anyone would run that sh*t as main is a mystery to me?

[donnie0511]

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my main systems are all running windows 7
backup systems are running Linux variants
using server 2008r2 and 2016 for my 2 servers
and an old Pentium 4 IBM with 20gb spinner with windows 10 enterprise ltsc

[Topcat]

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actually my shop box does have 10 on a mechanical drive. A 2tb WD RE. You can def. tell it has some slow boot and loading

I can get a $29 SSD from newegg and everything works great

I also need 10 to make Easeus partition disks, to use the 10 PE that has native USB 3.0 support

Win10 on a laptop with a 5400rpm (or slower) spinner is worse than Chinese water torture.

[televizora]

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What about using server os as desktop os. Most of the Windows10 nonsense is notexistent in Win2016

[Uranium-235]

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these are 256g $29 drives. No promising on the cache or TBW

[momaka]

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I can get a $29 SSD from newegg and everything works great

Well, if storage space available is not of too much concern, MicroCenter has their Inland house branded SSDs for usually ~20 for 120-128 GB. These are cache-less, so not the best performers... but still miles ahead of a mechanical. Reliability-wise, I used one in my work laptop for a year. It started getting slow after that (probably needed a wipe and re-write on all of the data, because only the boot times got slow - everything else was fast)... but then my contract ended, so I pulled it out and didn't have to worry about it anymore. Nevertheless, for the $20 I paid myself out of pocket, I think it was totally worth it. Saved me a lot of time (and sleep) on on-call tickets. The boot times with the original mechanical HDD were absolutely mind-numbing - and this was on a semi-bloated Windows 7 install. I can't even try to imagine what Win10 would have ran like on that laptop.

W10 is so bloated that instead of M$ de-bloating it so it runs properly on a mechanical drive, they just say "get an SSD" so it at least has some hope of running like it ought to.

That's the problem with all modern software. No one bothers anymore to release updates or newer versions of SW that optimize performance (not significantly, anyways.) Most updates tend to be either security fixes, bug fixes, or adding new features (and sometimes introducing new bugs with those.) And beyond all, it seems that "form" now regularly takes priority over "function". On that note, modern games are probably the best (saddest) example of this.

[TechGeek]

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W10 is so bloated that instead of M$ de-bloating it so it runs properly on a mechanical drive, they just say "get an SSD" so it at least has some hope of running like it ought to.

Meanwhile, I've gotten Debian 10 running reliably on a 40GB Maxtor IDE drive (and even a 4.3GB WD AC14300R drive from 1999) with no problems.