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  • Topcat
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Uranium-235
    One of the things that pisses me off is having to login to a microsoft account to disable S mode.
    Someone gave me a new HP laptop because of that. At the time I didn't know how to disable it beyond reloading it. She said not to worry about, she bought a new dell precision with Pro on it, and asked if I'd toss an older version of Office on it so she didn't have to get raped for the subscription.

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  • Per Hansson
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    Originally posted by televizora
    The support for Windows 8.1 is almost at it's end. And no matter what you do, most of the time if you try to do something more complex, you end up in the full screen Metro start menu. Even the fact that putting the cursor on the right edge of your screen opens again Metro menu is annoying.
    Also, classic shell is third party software. You wouldn't use it in production environment, neither big company will use it on it's office computers.
    Is there quiet installer? Is there MSI installer? How you will configure default options for every user?
    Group policy integration? Deployment? No?
    I don't disagree with you per se, but Start8 does have group policy integration.
    And no, I am not supporting that either, I think it went the way of Win10 with crap integrated shit.
    How I actually feel about Windows 8.1 you can read in this old post here: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...977#post362977
    But the Internet usable Windows choices are getting fewer, and as for Windows 10 I must say it disappoints me more as time passes, a first for a Windows release!
    Last edited by Per Hansson; 01-03-2021, 11:21 AM.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Uranium-235
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    My shop box was recently switched to 10 for more filesystem support as well as other things because everything is switching to 10.Got two new laptops this year and both 10. Ten doesn't bother me much. One of the things that pisses me off is having to login to a microsoft account to disable S mode.
    I forgot about the fact that Win10 Home comes with S mode...
    Which FS Win10 supports, that Win7 doe not?

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  • Uranium-235
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    The dell has a key for win7 starter edition sticker on it :/

    The last piece of hardware on win7 is my Shuttle XH110G (skylake i5-6600t)

    My shop box was recently switched to 10 for more filesystem support as well as other things because everything is switching to 10.

    Got two new laptops this year and both 10. Ten doesn't bother me much. One of the things that pisses me off is having to login to a microsoft account to disable S mode.
    Last edited by Uranium-235; 01-03-2021, 03:10 AM.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by dmill89
    the dual-core atoms were a slight improvement, but could still barely keep up with a 5 year old Celeron when they were new.
    1.6Ghz Atoms are not that bad. But I have seen 0.9Ghz, which is the same as Pentium III and their Architecture is somewhat based on PentiumIII.
    These were terrific, you cant even play Youtube video at 480p
    I had one, for car diagnostics software. It was the only thing it can run properly. Maybe because the software was written for Windows98.
    Intel Atom N270 at 1.6Ghz is significantly better than Intel Atom Z620 at 0.9Ghz.
    Never liked NetBooks. Most had almost terrific hardware. 1-2GB RAM max and 0.9Ghz CPU. I had IBM x22 with 512MB SDRAM and 900mhz cpu.
    15 years back it was not a bad machine for browsing the Internet. Now you need quad core machine with 4GB RAM to do it properly.
    I still remember how I opened 50 tabs in Opera 10-12 without any lag with just 512MB RAM.
    Last edited by televizora; 01-03-2021, 02:12 AM.

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  • dmill89
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    Originally posted by Uranium-235
    I have an atom N270 in a tiny Dell 10". Can't even do youtube with 480p
    The single core atoms where an absolute joke even when new (I remember selling new N270 powered Netbooks around 2010 when I worked in retail that were still running windows XP because they couldn't handle windows 7), the dual-core atoms were a slight improvement, but could still barely keep up with a 5 year old Celeron when they were new.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Topcat
    not that I'd really see classicshell as a major security risk....but I understand not using 3rd party programs like that.
    Well, it has digital signature. But currently, it is hosted on mediafire. Although, it seems like a Bulgarian wrote it.
    The author is Ivaylo Beltchev. This is typical Bulgarian or Macedonian name.

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  • Uranium-235
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by ratdude747
    Compared to the older atoms, these actually kick ass. Quite capable chips actually.
    I have an atom N270 in a tiny Dell 10". Can't even do youtube with 480p

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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by televizora
    I was thinking of limiting even desktop wallpaper options, but will leave the kittens on half of the screens alone for now.
    What I am trying to tell is that it is easy, when you install Classic shell on one computer at a time and when this computer will be used mostly as home computer. It is completely different, when you need to consider many other factors as well.
    In a corporate environment (where security is far more critical), you're correct...not that I'd really see classicshell as a major security risk....but I understand not using 3rd party programs like that.

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  • televizora
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    Originally posted by Topcat
    Not offended at all. We were just talking about it from two different aspects.
    I was thinking of limiting even desktop wallpaper options, but will leave the kittens on half of the screens alone for now.
    What I am trying to tell is that it is easy, when you install Classic shell on one computer at a time and when this computer will be used mostly as home computer. It is completely different, when you need to consider many other factors as well.

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  • Topcat
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by televizora
    I didn't mean to offend you. But the only thing that my users are allowed is to change the desktop wallpaper. Nothing more. They are not even allowed to delete desktop icons, can just move them. So, Windows10 has better UI. Because you cant just install random stuff on multiple computers in corporate environment. Third party software fixing windows problems is hardly an option. This is why I am pissed that anything newer than Windows7 is terrible.
    Not offended at all. We were just talking about it from two different aspects.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Topcat
    I wasn't referring to it in a corporate environment.
    I didn't mean to offend you. But the only thing that my users are allowed is to change the desktop wallpaper. Nothing more. They are not even allowed to delete desktop icons, can just move them. So, Windows10 has better UI. Because you cant just install random stuff on multiple computers in corporate environment. Third party software fixing windows problems is hardly an option. This is why I am pissed that anything newer than Windows7 is terrible.
    Last edited by televizora; 01-02-2021, 08:07 PM.

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  • Topcat
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    Originally posted by televizora
    What I am saying is that if you use are supporting computer and network infrastructure on a mass scale or you use office computer,
    you have 2 options - cope with buggy 8.1 Metro without any third party apps or use Windows10.
    Nobody will allow you to install classic shell. Unknown third party software is serious security concern. And even if you want to do it, active directory deployment, msi install file and personalization file is unavailable. Do you think that going thru every single of 200-300 computers and installing piece of software that is security risk is what you want to do? I'm sorry, but you think small. My point of view is different, because I have to deal with more than a couple of computers.
    I wasn't referring to it in a corporate environment.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Topcat
    2023, so there's a solid 2yrs left. Same with Server 2012. Also, with the end of these two comes the end of definitions for MS security essentials, which still functions/updates on EOL Windows 7.
    What I am saying is that if you use are supporting computer and network infrastructure on a mass scale or you use office computer,
    you have 2 options - cope with buggy 8.1 Metro without any third party apps or use Windows10.
    Nobody will allow you to install classic shell. Unknown third party software is serious security concern. And even if you want to do it, active directory deployment, msi install file and personalization file is unavailable. Do you think that going thru every single of 200-300 computers and installing piece of software that is security risk is what you want to do? I'm sorry, but you think small. My point of view is different, because I have to deal with more than a couple of computers.
    Last edited by televizora; 01-02-2021, 07:58 PM.

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  • Topcat
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by televizora
    The support for Windows 8.1 is almost at it's end.
    2023, so there's a solid 2yrs left. Same with Server 2012. Also, with the end of these two comes the end of definitions for MS security essentials, which still functions/updates on EOL Windows 7.

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  • televizora
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Per Hansson
    I don't agree, all 8.1 needs is a start-menu replacement like Start8 IMO.To fix Windows 10 takes a whole lot more!
    The support for Windows 8.1 is almost at it's end. And no matter what you do, most of the time if you try to do something more complex, you end up in the full screen Metro start menu. Even the fact that putting the cursor on the right edge of your screen opens again Metro menu is annoying.
    Also, classic shell is third party software. You wouldn't use it in production environment, neither big company will use it on it's office computers.
    Is there quiet installer? Is there MSI installer? How you will configure default options for every user?
    Group policy integration? Deployment? No?
    Last edited by televizora; 01-02-2021, 07:48 PM.

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  • brethin
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    Windows 98 with usb 2.0 support!��

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  • Topcat
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by ratdude747
    That's why the bay trail tablets have modded 8.1. Since they're stuck on standard, 10 can't be slimmed of bloat (without it all coming back on an update), but 8.1 can. And as light as the resources are on them (especially the x32 ones with only 1-2GB RAM and 16-32GB SSD storage), to be useful they need debloated.
    Who modded it>? The manufacturer of the tablet or M$; perhaps an 'unofficial' embedded edition of 8.1? The 8.1 UI with a few tweaks is actually very nice.

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  • ratdude747
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Per Hansson
    I don't agree, all 8.1 needs is a start-menu replacement like Start8 IMO.
    To fix Windows 10 takes a whole lot more!
    That's why the bay trail tablets have modded 8.1. Since they're stuck on standard, 10 can't be slimmed of bloat (without it all coming back on an update), but 8.1 can. And as light as the resources are on them (especially the x32 ones with only 1-2GB RAM and 16-32GB SSD storage), to be useful they need debloated.

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  • Topcat
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    Re: The 2021 Operating System Thread

    Originally posted by Per Hansson
    I don't agree, all 8.1 needs is a start-menu replacement like Start8 IMO.
    To fix Windows 10 takes a whole lot more!
    Yup. Classicshell took care of that on 8/8.1. W8.1 brought the actual start menu button back but still had the metro interface.

    W10....uhgggg....so much BS, silencing, tweaking, and swear words....

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