Whats a good registry cleaner?

[Toasty]

Re: Whats a good registry cleaner?

momaka >>More like 200MB after a week regular surfing. Watch youtube, and it can grow to 300MB+.<<

But, you said you set a temp file limit, as it should be. I clamp both IE & FF at 50Mb.

>>even daily before shutdown.<<

You turn it off?

I guess I just never think about it anymore...

Except for extended power fails, known upcoming lightning events, vacations, or maintenance, mine haven't been off in years.

[i4004]

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>Try to do all of that manually, and it will take much longer.

do what? i do nothing.
temp internet files can be quite big without slowing down the system, but yeah, if virus creeps up into in there can be problems with handling folder with hundreds of thousands of files etc.
but size of temp folder can be limited, easily...in that case there are no problems...no need to clean it...
it doesn't slow down anything...if it did, i would of noticed it...

so i don't touch it's size, i don't care what's inside, i don't touch cookies..why should i?

>But I have an older computer with a 20GB HD, where the drive is split in C: \ and D: \, with C: \ being only 3.5GB.

and you have temp folder on c, right? hehe...
it's a problem of partitioning strategy, not temp files...
and a problem of small drives, yeah...

but it's not really a general problem for most...

>So, I need to cleanup the leftovers that are going to mess up the new ASUS utilities.

toasty gives a nice manual way to do it...

>If you recall on Win2k or 98 the system wouldn't boot if the hive got too big.

nope. 2k doesn't have this issue....my registry is 32mb..is that..hm...small? hehe...
"software" alone section is 20mb...that roughly tells you how much programs i have installed....ie tons of them...

is system slower because of this? no, like i said, registry doesn't load everything everytime...why should it?
here's something to read
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/grou...731&s=50009562

[bgavin]

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I bought Registry Mechanic v8 from PCTOOLs, and it works well.
I first run shrdll.exe from Microsoft, then RegMech, and CC last. All three remove droppings the others miss. Go figure.

I find that CC mucks up my board cookies, even though I have Cookies and History unchecked. This is annoying at the least. I have not taken the time to figure it which of the checked settings is the culprit. If anybody knows, please post here.

My tweaker program sets the IE temp file at 25mb. With broadband, there is a rapid diminishing point of returns with a big cache. I also tweak IE to dump the trash when it exits. It also disables services in three levels of Safe, Moderate, and Radical. I implemented the Black Viper service list, and others, and added in the Vista UAC disable tweaks, etc. I figure to put it up for sale when complete.

[Toasty]

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bgavin >>CC mucks up my board cookies<<
Maybe it's not CC dropping the board settings... perhaps IE trash dump is too aggressive?

I tried RegMech too, but TUU does a better job. It goes back 2-3 times if it removes any CLSID, ActiveX, and COM entries. It makes sure it gets any orphans of what you just cleaned up.

Still the most aggressive and thorough (IMO) is jv16.

[bgavin]

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The IE trash dump is definitely not the problem.
It only occurs after a CCleaner run.

I'm always on the hunt for better scrubbers.
I don't understand the acronyms for JV and TUU..

On another note, I ran Microsoft's "WMIdiag.vbs" script on my primary workstation and it killed the network stack. I get a regular 'network disconnected' then 'network connected' in the tray.

After quite a bit of putzing around to fix it, I had to give up and restore the system from a ghost image. I couldn't find the problem, nor could I fix it. This is the sort of shit that keeps me on the hunt for better fixit tools.

If I didn't have the system image, it would have required a complete rebuild.

[bgavin]

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I grabbed the JV demo and will try it out on a VM.
I'm curious to see what registry droppings it leaves behind and how well it uninstalls. This is important, due to the number of client machines I service.

[momaka]

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>>even daily before shutdown.<<
You turn it off?

Lol, of course . It's in my bedroom and I don't like the noise. Besides, it saves energy that way. Sometimes I set it on standby when I know I'll be using it again in 1 or 2 hours.
That actually goes for anything in the house > if it's not used, it gets turned off. Money savings aren't big but it's good for the planet I suppose .

[Toasty]

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bgavin >>I don't understand the acronyms for JV and TUU..<<

See Post #7

bgavin >>I ran Microsoft's "WMIdiag.vbs" script on my primary workstation and it killed the network stack.<<
I thought that was strictly a diagnosis tool and it did(does) nothing to the system, just reports its' findings...? Was there a command line switch you used that perhaps did that?

momaka >>Money savings aren't big but it's good for the planet I suppose<<
I agree. However, waiting for the system to come up is NOT good for my blood pressure. Plus, the on-off-on-off cycling is not good for any electronic device. Once a day, no biggie. But 6 times a day... AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

[momaka]

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. However, waiting for the system to come up is NOT good for my blood pressure.

Lol. You shouldn't have that many programs load at startup you know .

I usually first press the "on" button, then get a drink, gather up homework material (if I have any) and when I come back the system is already loaded .
-That is, about a minute and a half at most (if AVG is updating).

Plus, the on-off-on-off cycling is not good for any electronic device.

Why? I mean, I can see that with the hard drive since it's a mechanical device, and maybe even the PSU, but why would the other components care?

[i4004]

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>but why would the other components care?

wory not, toasty won't be able to prove it.
<wink>

and now i'll turn off this damn machine...sounds really awfull...why don't we all just connect coolers to the case and avoid fans alltogether?
heh..

[Toasty]

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momaka >>You shouldn't have that many programs load at startup you know . <<
Why?

momaka >>I can see that with the hard drive since it's a mechanical device, and maybe even the PSU<<
...and you store the data where...??
...everything gets its power from what...??

i4004 >>wory not, toasty won't be able to prove it<<
Then I'm sure you offered the dis-proof of it then? I must have missed where you posted that information...

From PRISM assessment software forums-
"Weak spots and fatigue related failures are typically the result of temperature cycling and number of temperature/power on/off cycles. In-rush currents from power cycling can weaken and/or cause marginal devices to fail. The greater the amount of time a system/device is fielded, then the greater number of temperature cycles as well as overall time that can cause failure of the device or system."

Something to consider-
A device operating continuously for 10 years that fails 3 times in that period is more reliable than the same device operated only 25% of the time over the same 10 year period that fails once.

I followed this back in the 60's-70's with NASA's Gemini and Apollo programs then in High School with some analytical math classes and the beginning of formal electronics schooling. Exposure to Mil-Spec testing reports in the vein of the "do we leave it on" variety type of questions. Is the power saved more important than if it fails the next time we hit the power switch?

I choose to leave them running.

[i4004]

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>Then I'm sure you offered the dis-proof of it then? I must have missed where you posted that information...

when you say something, you prove it, when i say something, i prove it...i say you can't prove this...proof would be two devices of same kind and type, one wasn't truned off, other was, 6x a day(btw. where does 6 comes from?), and then you have many such cases(constant on device lasted more) and that's the proof for the thing you said...

i say you will not be able to provide such proof, ie i call BS on the claim that turning devices on/off shortens their life in any way....
quite the opposite, i say....it prolongs their life...
thermal stress won't affect anything decently built(that we use in our homes)...offcourse, if you have chinese device with crappy solder...but again, least thing that crap has to worry about is soldering....it will(even there) be the last thing that fails...

and nasa has less to do with that...if you consider the places where their devices have to function perfectly...really has less resemblance to our homes...

yes, i choose to turn them off, not so much because i'm afraid my stuff won't last(as i know what's in my box...it's surely is not powmax..heh) but because of noise...
i can't sleep with that crap in the background...what can i say, i prefer bach if i want to listen something while falling asleep...

also, why not transpose that thinking to(for example crt tv): how does this
"A device operating continuously for 10 years that fails 3 times in that period is more reliable than the same device operated only 25% of the time over the same 10 year period that fails once."
relation holds in that case?

or for crt monitor? or for lcd, with backlights getting crappier and crappier...
i just don't need to waste their (relative) short span life when it's not used....it's common sense...

doesn't go so much for pc(box) as only thing that should be prone to wear is hdd(if we have decent cap in it), but still...

my biggest problem on desktop is that i use win2k and stby is not really working on 2k...otherwise i would have it in stby most of the time...because it's quiet...

>Something to consider-
A device operating continuously for 10 years that fails 3 times in that period is more reliable than the same device operated only 25% of the time over the same 10 year period that fails once.

quite relative: if i need it to operate non-stop, then yeah, your relation holds, but if it needs to operate 25% of the time, then surely it's better for it to fail once and not 3 times..

otoh, i usually keep my laptop on for days(because p2p)....it's not noisy....
but now that i'm done with utorrent i'll turn it off and probably won't turn it on for days...hehe...

[pflowers]

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I love "Hijack This" to clean up reg probs....but you have to know what you can and can not get rid of.....but there are places on the web where you can submit a log file and get advice on what needs to go if your not sure.

Paul

[momaka]

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and nasa has less to do with that...if you consider the places where their devices have to function perfectly...really has less resemblance to our homes...

yes, i choose to turn them off, not so much because i'm afraid my stuff won't last(as i know what's in my box...it's surely is not powmax..heh) but because of noise...
...
quite relative: if i need it to operate non-stop, then yeah, your relation holds, but if it needs to operate 25% of the time, then surely it's better for it to fail once and not 3 times..

I agree. Most average users are not running anything critical that needs the computer on all of the time.
As for my ststem - all I do on it is homework, internet/email, a few games now and then, and that's it. If it fails because I turn it on and off too much - well screw it. It's already 5+ years old. My data is backed up on 2 other computers, so I won't lose anything.
And by the way, that same system had a PowMax in it for 4 years, and the board is a Jetway with GSCs.
And even then, the 3.3v caps in the PowMax failed before the system died from my erratic power cycling . Now there's a Thermaltake XP550 NP in it, but due to case problems, I haven't used it much ever since. So now I'm currently abusing my family's computer with as much as 3 power cycles a day (if you count standby cycles, add ~5 more).
Also, speaking of turning computers off, Yahoo just had this under the featured news:
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/130078

pflowers - I like Hijack This as well. Very usefull for finding adware (and everything else) that scaners would otherwise not pick up.

[bgavin]

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Why? I mean, I can see that with the hard drive since it's a mechanical device, and maybe even the PSU, but why would the other components care?

Because they endure micro flexing when they change temperature.
Consider the in-rush current in a cold circuit.
Also consider bending a coat hanger until it breaks, only on a much smaller scale.

[momaka]

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Ok, I agree with that, but consider the average computer. There are many other things that will fail way before daily power-cycling kills anything. Take for example the fans. They dry out and get clogged with dust, thus failing much sooner than everything else (provided that the PSU and mobo caps are of good brand ). Since most average users do not clean their systems, a fan failure will likely lead to overheating and a cap falure (usually in the PSU).
So turning off the computer after the day will increase fan life, thus increasing the life of everything else (if PSU caps go out, anything else can go out).
Of course let's not forget that by the time fans seize up, the computer will likely be 5+ years old already and somewhat obsolete, so chances are it will get changed for a new one.
Therefore, I don't think it really matters wheather you leave the computer running all the time or turning it off, because either way it will make it past its usefull life. Of course, turning it off will save energy, and for a big company or school it can save a significant amount of money on electrical bills in the long run.

[i4004]

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>lead to overheating and a cap falure

that reminds me:
here's one for all those saying cycling is a stress pcb can't take: if overheating doesn't break those connections(nor does it make them loose) how can normal temps cause any problems?

if glass was used instead of sloder...perhaps...this way...i think not...not unless you have temp. stress that is pretty extreme...but heck, even then components fail sooner than pcb connections.

[bgavin]

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I replace (non-Panaflo) fans and power supplies every 3 years.
I also replace my tires before they blow out. Other users may/may not.
So far, I have yet to lose a single Panaflo fan.

It really is a 50/50 tossup for the most part.
All my client servers remain up continuously.
They do after hours processing (backup, etc), and nobody worries about their power bill.
I do remote maintenance on the weekends or after hours, so the machines must remain accessible.

On the flip side, a laptop should go off when not used. As noted above, the tiny fan is MUCH more prone to clogging and system failure.
I also turn off my LCD monitors at night, on the home systems.
The system units stay up.

[momaka]

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So essentially we're getting at the same point more or less: .
Servers and important machines must remain on (after all it doesn't make sense to reset a server every day), and home computers should be turned off.

As for remote maintenance on weekends - maybe implement a shutdown script to turn off office computers at the end of the day during weekdays and leave them running on weekends?
That's just an idea, though (maybe it's not possible - I will confess that I'm quite uneducated when it comes to networking ).

[NxB]

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As for remote maintenance on weekends - maybe implement a shutdown script to turn off office computers at the end of the day during weekdays and leave them running on weekends?

Just set them to use standby/suspend and turn on wake-on-lan.

Some people are anal about leaving their computer on and having over 9000 days of uptime. Some people check their email and then turn it off. I've seen stuff fail either way. I think it comes down to if you want to hear the fan noise while you sleep and if you need to save money on the electric bill.

PCB stress from power cycling should have been accounted for in the design phase. And its rapid 0-30 heatup or a steady overheating by a 10-20. Which one will kill your computer faster? The fall to the floor when you tripped over the power cable