What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

[jiroy]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Ha, I knew a response like this was coming. That's not the point of this thread. Did you even read it?

I have an old bad habit of reading each word , and the way i saw it , it was either what a P4 is capable of ? , or it was just for fun ..
Now P4 in 2016 isn't capable but joining your gold crap , while the fun is an agony watching an excellent board struggling with an outdated cpu ..Watchout , it may explode during ! ..
If that what you call fun , well i prefer watching "Alien" for the nieme time

[retiredcaps]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

the point is that if u dont know how to optimise your system and the way the software runs. even an extreme overclock 5ghz cpu is going to be slow...

+1. Well said.

I was using P4 systems until recently. My daily use PC is a Core2Duo E8500 and it is certainly fast enough for my simple browsing needs. 99.9% of the time, the CPU is waiting for me.

[retiredcaps]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

I am willing to do video tests, games, internet browsing, Linux/Windows comparisons. Anyone have any suggestions??

My current daily PC is a Core2Duo E8500 with a Kingfast 32GB SSD that I just purchased off ebay.

I run Manjaro LXQT and excluding the BIOS diagnostic test, it takes about 5 seconds or less to fully load Linux, LXQT and Chrome browser. I suspect you will get similar results with the Intel 530 if you decide to try Manjaro LXQT.

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/

On my old P4 3.0Ghz system with on board video, I found that playing youtube 360 quality videos was enough to peg the CPU at 100%. While it didn't crash, multitasking was certainly unusable (waiting 10 seconds or more to switch tabs, etc) on Lubuntu.

It was then I decided to give away all my P4 systems and move to Core2Duo or AMD X2 systems.

[ivtec]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Well i've got a Sony Vaio VGN A195EP; 32bit Intel Centrino Pentium M 1.5GHZ CPU
1GHZ Mem,ATI Radion Video card,60GB HDD,OPS WinXPSP3,and only the downside of it is i can't run OPS with PAE , i mostly run it with IPTV and it does a great job,it's fast too performs great browsing too.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Tried ThrottleStop? Edit: That program came about in the C2D era, dunno if it'll work, but you can give it a shot. Of course, if you absolutely cannot up the multi (even tho you should be able to), there's standard old fashioned FSB overclocking... That's all i had to work with on that Celeron, and it went quite far.

I got up to 4.4GHz actually but i was limited by temperature, as a stock Pentium D cooler was all i had around at that time. Also, fun fact, the 2.80GHz Celeron D went a lot higher than a 3.06GHz did. Interesting how the lower binned part did better with OC. This was on an eVGA nForce 530-based board IIRC.

Sweet, thanks for the recommendation. Yeah even an FSB OC should help some. Probably wouldn't even have to up the voltage. Yeah, those Celeron D CPUs overclocked like beasts because of that high multiplier. I have a Celeron D 360 which is 3.46GHz stock with a x26 multiplier. I want to send it to a pro overclocker to see what they can do with it

running a t43 thinkpad for device programming,2 way radio,pcm,plc,ect programming.
only one i have with decent speed and works well with fussy software like johnson controls hvac pro,cummins insight,old icom stuff.freedos and xp.
i service lots of stuff containing old p4 cpu.
just had an anca cnc box in for rebuild.gotta be the worst choice in cpu in this sardine packed unit.

Wow, nice. I didn't know they put P4s in there. Definitely a bad choice for a compact areas, unless maybe it was a Northwood.

This computer running XP could run as fast as my old dell desktop running a i5 with Windows 7


NEW Dell Dimension XPS Desktop Computer Pentium 4 540 3.2GHz/1GB RAM/250GB

Imagine if it had more RAM!

also, those of u who think the p4 was poor at everything, i'd like to point out that the p4 did quite well in mpeg2 video+audio recording and encoding. i also use a p4 for htpc purposes and for watching/recording tv. still works great for sdtv and 720p hdtv content. only 1080i hdtv is a drag...

the point is that if u dont know how to optimise your system and the way the software runs. even an extreme overclock 5ghz cpu is going to be slow...

Yeah, ever notice how fast one runs after a fresh install? A bloated spinning disk can bring any computer down to a crawl. This P4 is actually pretty snappy when configured. They indeed do well at audio/video recording. I think those programs like the high clock speed and bandwidth. Not quite sure what you're saying about it not being able to handle 1080, but this may be why. Let me share my experience with you...

I have a P4 system that I set up for a friend a long time ago. 651 (3.60GHz) with 4GB 667MHz RAM, 750GB HDD, and a Radeon HD 4670 1GB. I set it up to stream video through an S-video cable to a 27" Trinitron CRT. It did awesome. He moved away so I got that machine. Without thinking I upgraded VLC and the video card driver. I tuned the settings and then went to watch a 1080p video and it started lagging like crazy after a few seconds. I thought maybe the wireless was lagging but the network was not being taxed at all. I looked at the settings and I had all the video decoding settings checked, but the P4 would average about 95% usage with constant stuttering. I said to myself, I KNOW this worked before, what has changed? I tried all these tutorials about tweaking VLC settings to make it play better on old hardware. They helped a little but it was always stuttering. Then I thought, ohhhhh I upgraded VLC. So, I went back to my favorite version which is 1.1.11 (July, 2011) That new bullshit version totally ruined everything. I used 1.1.11 with bone stock settings, only upping the network stream cache to 4,000ms, and checking "Enable hardware acceleration (experimental)" and the 1080p (1920x1080) video played flawlessly on a 50" flatscreen. No joke, average 12% CPU usage, never any stutter and flawless playback. Try this version out with an old CPU, I bet you it will work if your GPU supports x264 decoding. I'm not interested in x265 so I still use x264.

This even worked on a super weak Celeron D 3.33GHz with a Radeon HD 4350 and DDR RAM.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

..Watchout , it may explode during ! ..

Hilarious I bet you a P4 can handle way more abuse and heat than any modern chip. They were truly tough and robust.

If that what you call fun , well i prefer watching "Alien" for the nieme time

And that's why I'm doing it and not you

My current daily PC is a Core2Duo E8500 with a Kingfast 32GB SSD that I just purchased off ebay.

I run Manjaro LXQT and excluding the BIOS diagnostic test, it takes about 5 seconds or less to fully load Linux, LXQT and Chrome browser. I suspect you will get similar results with the Intel 530 if you decide to try Manjaro LXQT.

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/

On my old P4 3.0Ghz system with on board video, I found that playing youtube 360 quality videos was enough to peg the CPU at 100%. While it didn't crash, multitasking was certainly unusable (waiting 10 seconds or more to switch tabs, etc) on Lubuntu.

It was then I decided to give away all my P4 systems and move to Core2Duo or AMD X2 systems.

Onboard graphics certainly wasn't doing you any favors! Putting all the decoding onto the already taxed CPU. With video cards, I don't have a problem watching 720p videos on YouTube. Can't do 1080p though. You can't say that was all because of the CPU, I have an Athlon 64 x2 2.30GHz that could barely play YouTube 480p with onboard video.

Thanks for that recommendation. I'm actually going to download that and test it on this P4 to see how it does I like the sound of it.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Surprised that chip is built in China, because it's a high end version, the only "CHINA" ones I saw were the 2.8s. Usually low-tier P4s...

I had the same motherboard, bought brand new in September, 2008.

With socket 775, there's a good chance that you require 1.9 V for the DRAM voltage (VDIMM) before inserting 4 sticks. It may be unstable. It's also possible for the BIOS to freeze at the logo with 1.8 V VDIMM and 4 sticks.

I had at minimum a Conroe, an E2180 when I first got the motherboard and an E4500 since August, 2009.

I think you should get a Wolfdale E8600, TBH...

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Sigh...you're missing the point of the thread. I bought this board in December, 2008 for my first ever built from scratch custom build. It was my main machine until July, 2011 running an E8400 @ 3.60GHz. Awesome chip. I love this board, but it's not the primary focus of the thread.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Sigh...you're missing the point of the thread. I bought this board in December, 2008 for my first ever built from scratch custom build. It was my main machine until July, 2011 running an E8400 @ 3.60GHz. Awesome chip. I love this board, but it's not the primary focus of the thread.

I'm curious about Pentium 4s in 2016 as well!

In 2011, all I had was a Conroe E4500 . But, back then, I rather strangely hardly gamed and never played Halo CE at that time...

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Hilarious I bet you a P4 can handle way more abuse and heat than any modern chip. They were truly tough and robust.

I can see Prescott doing that, but, OTOH, Northwoods seem to be picky and run very hot for a low-watt CPU!

[jiroy]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Hilarious I bet you a P4 can handle way more abuse and heat than any modern chip. They were truly tough and robust.

Actually i was talking about the miserable board you know , the one in agony , lol ...
Tough and robust , yes , but slow and boring as turtles ! ..

And that's why I'm doing it and not you

Guess i won't be missing one huge of technology breakthrough , so i'll watch the sequel "the Aliens" ..

[SurrealMustard]

Pentium4 Story

Isn't it sad that yahoo mail and gmail websites load their pages with so much useless crap to slow down web browsing on older machines, not to mention modern browsers are so full of crap too (and the forced upgrades due to bugfixes)?

I still have some 3.4GHz P4's around somewhere, a lot of modern apps just seem to run poorly on them (though the 1.6GHz Pentium-M and 1.6GHz Atom are worse...though the former is better than the latter)

Don't even get me started on that. They somehow manage to build these aneurism-inducingly-ugly webpages with no visual frills of any kind that take a strong computer just to render and scroll through smoothly. That said, our family's main 2.8Ghz Prescott computer is still going strong after ten+ years (with multiple memory upgrades, one video card replacement/upgrade, and two hard drive upgrades/replacements along the way) and still does an admirable job with many of these incompetently-designed websites, but it is starting to show its age. I'm seeing bloated capacitors cropping up all over the motherboard, the fancy keyboard accent illumination is starting to fail, and the power led on the matching monitor is getting really dim after over 40,000 hours.

[Pentium4]

Re: Pentium4 Story

I'm curious about Pentium 4s in 2016 as well!

In 2011, all I had was a Conroe E4500 . But, back then, I rather strangely hardly gamed and never played Halo CE at that time...

The E4500 was a good chip. Certainly much better than the E2xxx Pentium chips. Those were really limited by their cache size and very low clock speeds. Back when I was playing Titan Quest a lot on my old machine I was using a Pentium 4 3.60GHz to play, it lagged a little so I threw in a Pentium E2160 1.80GHz thinking it was an upgrade but the game ran much worse! I guess that game only supported one core, that's all I can think of. The board didn't support overclocking unfortunately. Those early Core chips overclocked very well.

Don't even get me started on that. They somehow manage to build these aneurism-inducingly-ugly webpages with no visual frills of any kind that take a strong computer just to render and scroll through smoothly. That said, our family's main 2.8Ghz Prescott computer is still going strong after ten+ years (with multiple memory upgrades, one video card replacement/upgrade, and two hard drive upgrades/replacements along the way) and still does an admirable job with many of these incompetently-designed websites, but it is starting to show its age. I'm seeing bloated capacitors cropping up all over the motherboard, the fancy keyboard accent illumination is starting to fail, and the power led on the matching monitor is getting really dim after over 40,000 hours.

Yeah, it really is a bummer... The internet was a much different place when these chips came out!

Can someone post an example of their host file?

[kaboom]

Re: Pentium4 Story

Can someone post an example of their host file?

[singsong]"All ya had to do was ask!"[/singsong]



Don't forget to use GPEDIT or its equivalent to set the DNS service to manual or disabled (which won't "disable" it, but ensure deferring to the hosts file). I've seen stuff get in, even with a hosts file, when DNS was set to "auto."


It's not pretty and has some dupes, but gets the job done.

There's the possibility of certain obscure-but-legit things not working- if this happens use the "MVP hosts" file instead. Duck-it or google-it.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Awesome, thank you so much kaboom! Sounds good. I use DuckDuckGo for everything now Not a huge fan of Google.

[kaboom]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Not a huge fan of Google.

"don't be evil"


I find that DDG can give better results overall at times, but when you're looking for (a) specific term(s), Ooogle can sometimes narrow it down earlier on the pages of results. As long as ya ignore the ad$ense hits, OFC!

Now with the "yahoos" and bing/M$ madness, hopefully DDG still provides meaningful results. As in, free of those time waster "squatters." Yes, those that actually exist are indexed by all search engines/dataminers, but Ooogle seems to have "fake" hits that appear to be fronted by various *ahem* "free" sites. Hoping someone clicks and the ad$sense door keeps revolving... used to get these when searching for older/hard to find semicon data.

Oh well, I don't keep backups for nothing. If something was that hard to find, what's a few KB/MB on some DVD-Rs or large HDDs?


Re my hosts file:

All the "127.0.0.1" will need to be changed to "0.0.0.0" if using W7 (vista too?) or newer, and "localhost" has another "definer" for IPv6.

Win2k, if anyone still uses it, gets real slow with hosts files over ~500KB. Seen this happen on several older systems, two personal, back in the day- had to upgrade those to XPPro to handle the hosts file. It was too much to parse, you'd get hangs on the level of 95-98se having the LAN device enabled but no cable connected.

Big hosts file=XPPro+.

[stj]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

if your looking for hard to find datasheets or manuals, try https://www.yandex.com
because the Russian websites have a fair amount of that stuff.

[Per Hansson]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

running a t43 thinkpad for device programming,2 way radio,pcm,plc,ect programming.
only one i have with decent speed and works well with fussy software like johnson controls hvac pro,cummins insight,old icom stuff.freedos and xp.
i service lots of stuff containing old p4 cpu.
just had an anca cnc box in for rebuild.gotta be the worst choice in cpu in this sardine packed unit.

Wow, nice. I didn't know they put P4s in there. Definitely a bad choice for a compact areas, unless maybe it was a Northwood.

Imagine if it had more RAM!

The P4 is not in the T43, it's in the CNC machine
His T43 probably has the same Pentium M as my upgraded T40 does.
As I mentioned it works great for the stuff it's good at, programming my car etc.
And other stuff that require Windows XP.
For me I never had much love for the P4, that's all.
I much prefer an old Pentium III Tualatin 1.4GHz, or the later Pentium M Dothan cores.
I also prefer small tits over large ones, see the resemblance?

[kc8adu]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

yes its got a pentium m.
more akin to a p3 than a p4.
the anca had a just barely adequate heatsink on a good day.it would overheat and thermal throttle at the drop of a hat on a warm day.i put in the best 478 hsf i had in my junk pile when i overhauled it.all the caps even the small sanyos were baked dry.
it no longer crashes and loses the job when cold either.it was run till it started bsod in the middle of a critical job and broke a $5000 tool!
this thing needed everything rebuilt at once.
but there are still millions of old industrial systems out there with p4 in them.and the cpu survives even the loss of the heatsink from busted retainers.only thing that will positively kill one is a vrm short putting +12 on vcore.

[Bungz]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

I have a pentium 4 670 3.8ghz

I haven't found a use for it because under normal cooling it throttles like crazy.

Maybe if I stuck a AC7 on it...

I find Pentium 4's pretty forgiving for their age, can still do most stuff, as mentioned the web has certainly got alot "fatter/lazy" though, regular pegging the cpu to 100%.