What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Sigh...you're missing the point of the thread. I bought this board in December, 2008 for my first ever built from scratch custom build. It was my main machine until July, 2011 running an E8400 @ 3.60GHz. Awesome chip. I love this board, but it's not the primary focus of the thread.

I'm curious about Pentium 4s in 2016 as well!

In 2011, all I had was a Conroe E4500 . But, back then, I rather strangely hardly gamed and never played Halo CE at that time...

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Sigh...you're missing the point of the thread. I bought this board in December, 2008 for my first ever built from scratch custom build. It was my main machine until July, 2011 running an E8400 @ 3.60GHz. Awesome chip. I love this board, but it's not the primary focus of the thread.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Surprised that chip is built in China, because it's a high end version, the only "CHINA" ones I saw were the 2.8s. Usually low-tier P4s...

I had the same motherboard, bought brand new in September, 2008.

With socket 775, there's a good chance that you require 1.9 V for the DRAM voltage (VDIMM) before inserting 4 sticks. It may be unstable. It's also possible for the BIOS to freeze at the logo with 1.8 V VDIMM and 4 sticks.

I had at minimum a Conroe, an E2180 when I first got the motherboard and an E4500 since August, 2009.

I think you should get a Wolfdale E8600, TBH...

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

..Watchout , it may explode during ! ..

Hilarious I bet you a P4 can handle way more abuse and heat than any modern chip. They were truly tough and robust.

If that what you call fun , well i prefer watching "Alien" for the nieme time

And that's why I'm doing it and not you

My current daily PC is a Core2Duo E8500 with a Kingfast 32GB SSD that I just purchased off ebay.

I run Manjaro LXQT and excluding the BIOS diagnostic test, it takes about 5 seconds or less to fully load Linux, LXQT and Chrome browser. I suspect you will get similar results with the Intel 530 if you decide to try Manjaro LXQT.

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/

On my old P4 3.0Ghz system with on board video, I found that playing youtube 360 quality videos was enough to peg the CPU at 100%. While it didn't crash, multitasking was certainly unusable (waiting 10 seconds or more to switch tabs, etc) on Lubuntu.

It was then I decided to give away all my P4 systems and move to Core2Duo or AMD X2 systems.

Onboard graphics certainly wasn't doing you any favors! Putting all the decoding onto the already taxed CPU. With video cards, I don't have a problem watching 720p videos on YouTube. Can't do 1080p though. You can't say that was all because of the CPU, I have an Athlon 64 x2 2.30GHz that could barely play YouTube 480p with onboard video.

Thanks for that recommendation. I'm actually going to download that and test it on this P4 to see how it does I like the sound of it.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Tried ThrottleStop? Edit: That program came about in the C2D era, dunno if it'll work, but you can give it a shot. Of course, if you absolutely cannot up the multi (even tho you should be able to), there's standard old fashioned FSB overclocking... That's all i had to work with on that Celeron, and it went quite far.

I got up to 4.4GHz actually but i was limited by temperature, as a stock Pentium D cooler was all i had around at that time. Also, fun fact, the 2.80GHz Celeron D went a lot higher than a 3.06GHz did. Interesting how the lower binned part did better with OC. This was on an eVGA nForce 530-based board IIRC.

Sweet, thanks for the recommendation. Yeah even an FSB OC should help some. Probably wouldn't even have to up the voltage. Yeah, those Celeron D CPUs overclocked like beasts because of that high multiplier. I have a Celeron D 360 which is 3.46GHz stock with a x26 multiplier. I want to send it to a pro overclocker to see what they can do with it

running a t43 thinkpad for device programming,2 way radio,pcm,plc,ect programming.
only one i have with decent speed and works well with fussy software like johnson controls hvac pro,cummins insight,old icom stuff.freedos and xp.
i service lots of stuff containing old p4 cpu.
just had an anca cnc box in for rebuild.gotta be the worst choice in cpu in this sardine packed unit.

Wow, nice. I didn't know they put P4s in there. Definitely a bad choice for a compact areas, unless maybe it was a Northwood.

This computer running XP could run as fast as my old dell desktop running a i5 with Windows 7


NEW Dell Dimension XPS Desktop Computer Pentium 4 540 3.2GHz/1GB RAM/250GB

Imagine if it had more RAM!

also, those of u who think the p4 was poor at everything, i'd like to point out that the p4 did quite well in mpeg2 video+audio recording and encoding. i also use a p4 for htpc purposes and for watching/recording tv. still works great for sdtv and 720p hdtv content. only 1080i hdtv is a drag...

the point is that if u dont know how to optimise your system and the way the software runs. even an extreme overclock 5ghz cpu is going to be slow...

Yeah, ever notice how fast one runs after a fresh install? A bloated spinning disk can bring any computer down to a crawl. This P4 is actually pretty snappy when configured. They indeed do well at audio/video recording. I think those programs like the high clock speed and bandwidth. Not quite sure what you're saying about it not being able to handle 1080, but this may be why. Let me share my experience with you...

I have a P4 system that I set up for a friend a long time ago. 651 (3.60GHz) with 4GB 667MHz RAM, 750GB HDD, and a Radeon HD 4670 1GB. I set it up to stream video through an S-video cable to a 27" Trinitron CRT. It did awesome. He moved away so I got that machine. Without thinking I upgraded VLC and the video card driver. I tuned the settings and then went to watch a 1080p video and it started lagging like crazy after a few seconds. I thought maybe the wireless was lagging but the network was not being taxed at all. I looked at the settings and I had all the video decoding settings checked, but the P4 would average about 95% usage with constant stuttering. I said to myself, I KNOW this worked before, what has changed? I tried all these tutorials about tweaking VLC settings to make it play better on old hardware. They helped a little but it was always stuttering. Then I thought, ohhhhh I upgraded VLC. So, I went back to my favorite version which is 1.1.11 (July, 2011) That new bullshit version totally ruined everything. I used 1.1.11 with bone stock settings, only upping the network stream cache to 4,000ms, and checking "Enable hardware acceleration (experimental)" and the 1080p (1920x1080) video played flawlessly on a 50" flatscreen. No joke, average 12% CPU usage, never any stutter and flawless playback. Try this version out with an old CPU, I bet you it will work if your GPU supports x264 decoding. I'm not interested in x265 so I still use x264.

This even worked on a super weak Celeron D 3.33GHz with a Radeon HD 4350 and DDR RAM.

[ivtec]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Well i've got a Sony Vaio VGN A195EP; 32bit Intel Centrino Pentium M 1.5GHZ CPU
1GHZ Mem,ATI Radion Video card,60GB HDD,OPS WinXPSP3,and only the downside of it is i can't run OPS with PAE , i mostly run it with IPTV and it does a great job,it's fast too performs great browsing too.

[retiredcaps]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

I am willing to do video tests, games, internet browsing, Linux/Windows comparisons. Anyone have any suggestions??

My current daily PC is a Core2Duo E8500 with a Kingfast 32GB SSD that I just purchased off ebay.

I run Manjaro LXQT and excluding the BIOS diagnostic test, it takes about 5 seconds or less to fully load Linux, LXQT and Chrome browser. I suspect you will get similar results with the Intel 530 if you decide to try Manjaro LXQT.

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/

On my old P4 3.0Ghz system with on board video, I found that playing youtube 360 quality videos was enough to peg the CPU at 100%. While it didn't crash, multitasking was certainly unusable (waiting 10 seconds or more to switch tabs, etc) on Lubuntu.

It was then I decided to give away all my P4 systems and move to Core2Duo or AMD X2 systems.

[retiredcaps]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

the point is that if u dont know how to optimise your system and the way the software runs. even an extreme overclock 5ghz cpu is going to be slow...

+1. Well said.

I was using P4 systems until recently. My daily use PC is a Core2Duo E8500 and it is certainly fast enough for my simple browsing needs. 99.9% of the time, the CPU is waiting for me.

[jiroy]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Ha, I knew a response like this was coming. That's not the point of this thread. Did you even read it?

I have an old bad habit of reading each word , and the way i saw it , it was either what a P4 is capable of ? , or it was just for fun ..
Now P4 in 2016 isn't capable but joining your gold crap , while the fun is an agony watching an excellent board struggling with an outdated cpu ..Watchout , it may explode during ! ..
If that what you call fun , well i prefer watching "Alien" for the nieme time

[ChaosLegionnaire]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

i block javascript and images on my browser and my p4 northwood still loads pages fast. i only whitelist or enable it on certain websites that require javascript to display the page right. a good adblock plugin and hosts file also helps to block unnecessary ads and content that slow down the webpage loading.

also, those of u who think the p4 was poor at everything, i'd like to point out that the p4 did quite well in mpeg2 video+audio recording and encoding. i also use a p4 for htpc purposes and for watching/recording tv. still works great for sdtv and 720p hdtv content. only 1080i hdtv is a drag...

the point is that if u dont know how to optimise your system and the way the software runs. even an extreme overclock 5ghz cpu is going to be slow...

[keeney123]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

This computer running XP could run as fast as my old dell desktop running a i5 with Windows 7


NEW Dell Dimension XPS Desktop Computer Pentium 4 540 3.2GHz/1GB RAM/250GB #2

[kc8adu]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

running a t43 thinkpad for device programming,2 way radio,pcm,plc,ect programming.
only one i have with decent speed and works well with fussy software like johnson controls hvac pro,cummins insight,old icom stuff.freedos and xp.
i service lots of stuff containing old p4 cpu.
just had an anca cnc box in for rebuild.gotta be the worst choice in cpu in this sardine packed unit.

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Yeah, it has an unlocked multiplier. I can't seem to up it on this board though A decent OC would be nice. Even like 4.26GHz would make a difference and up the bandwidth as well.

Tried ThrottleStop? Edit: That program came about in the C2D era, dunno if it'll work, but you can give it a shot. Of course, if you absolutely cannot up the multi (even tho you should be able to), there's standard old fashioned FSB overclocking... That's all i had to work with on that Celeron, and it went quite far.

I got up to 4.4GHz actually but i was limited by temperature, as a stock Pentium D cooler was all i had around at that time. Also, fun fact, the 2.80GHz Celeron D went a lot higher than a 3.06GHz did. Interesting how the lower binned part did better with OC. This was on an eVGA nForce 530-based board IIRC.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

I wouldn't. But I do have a Pentium III 850-M laptop sitting around with 512MB. I could fire that thing back up. And wow that RAM is cheap!

[stj]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Wow! Usable on a 700MHz P3? I will check out Vector, sounds interesting.

it's an IBM T23 with 768meg of ram.
dont try to use vector with 256 - it would run fine - but for some strange reason, it wouldnt shutdown.

so i added this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161186925448

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

I would say using it for some kind of server would be a pretty good idea.

I have multiple P4 servers The Cedar Mill 65nm revision really brought down the heat.

Pentium 4 is unbelievably slow and power inefficient for usage in 2016. Try installing Windows 10 for example. Or just simply browse more demanding websites. It cannot cope even with the simple tasks like that. I tired everything with my P4 3.20 GHz and it was just unusable on windows or linux. Got AMD X3 710 for cheap and it is so much faster. Never again I will waste so much of my time trying to make one core CPU do anything because they are just garbage. Almost all programs are now multi-threaded and this is where multi-core CPUs shine.

Lol...That's a S478 CPU with 512KB cache and DDR RAM. There is a huge difference between that and a CPU like this one with higher clock, 4 times the cache, faster bus, and faster (dual channel) RAM. Plus, sadly browsing the internet isn't even a simple task anymore with all the ads on websites. Even multiple core CPUs can see high usage with multiple tabs open.

Single core....yikes. C2D/C2Q is still very usable today. FWIW, a pair of 2.8GHz dual-core paxvilles (netburst P4/xeon) is still very usable today....never underestimate old hardware!

Definitely

To me it's not usable, single core CPU's just don't work with modern demands.
But of course it depends what you use it for, and how you define useful.
I have a Thinkpad T40 with XP that works great to mess with my car.
Of course taking it online is a whole different cup of tea...
All tools have their specific uses.
I just feel a Pentium 4 never was good at anything, not back then and certainly not now.
That's my 0.02SEK worth

Hyper Threading definitely helps, but I see your point. This isn't a main workstation or anything, it's a test. And, P4s are still plenty capable of many tasks.

[Pentium4]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Why a Pentium cpu when this board can use a core duo2 quad ? . It would be a crippled system on a solid win 7 . Even a dual core is a handicap now .

I made such test on a Pentium basis cpu on a XP SP3 and yet , even XP lagged a lot , especially when using the Net .
8GB of DDR2 wont save the day since a weak processor wont be capable of taking the necessary advantage .

Ha, I knew a response like this was coming. That's not the point of this thread. Did you even read it?

Wasn't the Extreme Edition the one with the unlocked multipler? You could try overclocking it. I have had decent results with a Celeron D overclocked to 4.2GHz.

Yeah, it has an unlocked multiplier. I can't seem to up it on this board though A decent OC would be nice. Even like 4.26GHz would make a difference and up the bandwidth as well.

ok, i resent my name being left out in all the pentium 4 funn as well because a celeron based p4 2.4ghz with 400fsb was in my first self-built rig which was later upgraded to a northwood 2.8ghz with 533fsb.

here are some old benchmark scores for 3dmark03 and 3dmark06 which i did with a p4c northwood 3.2ghz overclocked to 3.6 on stock vcore. video card was a nvidia geforce 6800 ultra running at stock.

*snip*

Thanks for sharing Honestly, Windows 7 runs pretty well on a P4. It utilizes HT a lot better than XP.

it should be good,
i have a laptop wih a 1GHz p3 running XP, and a laptop wih a 700MHz p3 running vector-Linux that are both perfectly useable.

Wow! Usable on a 700MHz P3? I will check out Vector, sounds interesting. I also have an old Abit board with two Pentium 3 1.40GHz-S CPUs and 4GB of ECC RAM. I may have to run some tests on this as well

Isn't it sad that yahoo mail and gmail websites load their pages with so much useless crap to slow down web browsing on older machines, not to mention modern browsers are so full of crap too (and the forced upgrades due to bugfixes)?

I still have some 3.4GHz P4's around somewhere, a lot of modern apps just seem to run poorly on them (though the 1.6GHz Pentium-M and 1.6GHz Atom are worse...though the former is better than the latter)

Yes, it is sad....The internet didn't used to be like that. Like Badcaps and Wikipedia for instance. I ran both those websites on a Pentium II 400MHz and 256MB of RAM with plenty of speed.

that may be it, i dont use the xp laptop online - it drives my eprom programmer.

btw - try this if you can
https://brave.com/

Thanks for the link. I will check that out as well!

[Per Hansson]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

To me it's not usable, single core CPU's just don't work with modern demands.
But of course it depends what you use it for, and how you define useful.
I have a Thinkpad T40 with XP that works great to mess with my car.
Of course taking it online is a whole different cup of tea...
All tools have their specific uses.
I just feel a Pentium 4 never was good at anything, not back then and certainly not now.
That's my 0.02SEK worth

[Topcat]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Single core....yikes. C2D/C2Q is still very usable today. FWIW, a pair of 2.8GHz dual-core paxvilles (netburst P4/xeon) is still very usable today....never underestimate old hardware!

[Audison]

Re: What is a Pentium 4 capable of in 2016?

Pentium 4 is unbelievably slow and power inefficient for usage in 2016. Try installing Windows 10 for example. Or just simply browse more demanding websites. It cannot cope even with the simple tasks like that. I tired everything with my P4 3.20 GHz and it was just unusable on windows or linux. Got AMD X3 710 for cheap and it is so much faster. Never again I will waste so much of my time trying to make one core CPU do anything because they are just garbage. Almost all programs are now multi-threaded and this is where multi-core CPUs shine.