Aaaaaand flash is dead!

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

Updating Nvidia 5000 series and 6000 series drivers does magic in full screen youtube. No more tearing in videos after updating.

[momaka]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I recall some other older machines that had trouble with flash for youtube in a small window so that's why this was a bit surprising to me...

By small window, do you mean those embedded YouTube videos in other websites or just YouTube in non-full screen mode?
I usually find the reverse to be true - fulls screen takes more CPU, especially on old video cards. My non-HT 2.66 GHz P4 Northwood with GeForce FX5600, for example, struggles with full screen even at 360p, but runs okay on normal screen 360p and sometimes 480p. I do have Flash 11.x on that PC, though, so maybe that's why.

[MyLegIsCramped]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I mean, it's not gone yet, it'll probably be around for a few more years. The transition hsa begun though and that's exciting even if it were 20 years out! So annoy, Such vulns!!!

[mockingbird]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

Well, if your PC has an Intel G4x video, then the CPU is probably also a Core 2 Duo or better. So in that case, I would say don't bother with installing Flash.

I set up a laptop for my uncle last summer. Was debating whether or not to put Flash player on there. But since the laptop had a C2D T9xxx CPU and Intel HD 3000 GPU, I decided to leave it without Flash. With HTML5 in Firefox 41, I could run YouTube 1080p without any lag at all. Didn't notice problems with any other websites either. My uncle is really happy with it so far. Huge upgrade from his Pentium 3 laptop with 384 MB of RAM (imagine that !)

A couple of important points:

1) That laptop should be more than enough to run Flash. I'm doing it on my T8100 and GL40 (Albeit in only 720p30 - which is good enough for me)...

2) In Windows 8+, you can get away with a lot more because IE has built-in H264 acceleration (and its performance in that respect far surpasses that of Chrome and Firefox for older GPUs).

[eccerr0r]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

Hmm... I was trying YouTube with HTML5 (Firefox-ESR38) in Linux on a P4 3GHz (32 bit) with i865G CGC... I only wanted to see the video in the little window (versus fullscreen). I was kind of surprised it wasn't too bad, oddly enough. I recall some other older machines that had trouble with flash for youtube in a small window so that's why this was a bit surprising to me...

Thank goodness no more crashplayer...

[ChaosLegionnaire]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

u guys are lucky dxva even works for you. for some weird reason on my pcs, i simply cannot get dxva in flash to work properly. i've tried all kinds of video cards, amd and nvidia, none of them work properly. what happens is that a few minutes or even seconds into playing a flash video, windows blue screens with a video driver stuck in an infinite loop error msg. this error does not appear in and i have no problems playing h264 videos in mpchc with the built-in dxva filter enabled.

since this problem appears on all my pcs and they use different brands and models of video cards and dxva works fine for me in mpchc, i concluded that flash player is focked up with shitty coding and just disabled dxva in flash on all my computers. i'm soooo glad that fockassh player is gone. its screwed up my pcs enuff!

[momaka]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

With AMD/Nvidia discreet GPU supporting Hardware Decoding, CPU usage with Adobe Flash Player is as low as 15-25% @ YouTube 1080p. HTML5 is a bit higher, IF I remember correct it's around 30-35%.

Last I heard, HTML5 can't take advantage of hardware H.264. So perhaps YouTube player is using something else with HTML5, which would explain the higher CPU usage. I guess I have to look it up.

I don't know what happens when the GPU does not support Hardware Acceleration (for example Nvidia 6000 series) and the CPU is dual core.

Then CPU does all of the work.
... in which case, you might want to use Flash player if keeping the CPU usage low is your goal (such as on a laptop, where battery life and cooling can be points of concern).

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I usually compare CPU usage at clients' laptops with and without Flash Player. Most of the time they are 2007-2009 Intel Dual Core cpus.

With Intel integrated GPU, CPU usage is higher than 50% with Flash Player @ YouTube 1080p. With HTML5 it's around 70-80%. This is bad, because most users tend to listen music from youtube and surf on the web at the same time and/or chatting in FB/Skype/Viber etc. So, you would like to lower CPU usage to be confident that they would have a smooth user experience.

With AMD/Nvidia discreet GPU supporting Hardware Decoding, CPU usage with Adobe Flash Player is as low as 15-25% @ YouTube 1080p. HTML5 is a bit higher, IF I remember correct it's around 30-35%.

I don't know what happens when the GPU does not support Hardware Acceleration (for example Nvidia 6000 series) and the CPU is dual core.

[momaka]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

But yes, it has been lagging on my old laptop... I wouldn't recommend running the newer versions on anything less powerful than Intel G4x video.

Well, if your PC has an Intel G4x video, then the CPU is probably also a Core 2 Duo or better. So in that case, I would say don't bother with installing Flash.

I set up a laptop for my uncle last summer. Was debating whether or not to put Flash player on there. But since the laptop had a C2D T9xxx CPU and Intel HD 3000 GPU, I decided to leave it without Flash. With HTML5 in Firefox 41, I could run YouTube 1080p without any lag at all. Didn't notice problems with any other websites either. My uncle is really happy with it so far. Huge upgrade from his Pentium 3 laptop with 384 MB of RAM (imagine that !)

[mockingbird]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I like Flash because it only buffers ahead on Youtube to a certain degree, checks if you've actually watched up to that point, and only then continues buffering...

This is very important if you have bandwidth limits...

But yes, it has been lagging on my old laptop... I wouldn't recommend running the newer versions on anything less powerful than Intel G4x video.

[lti]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

On my computer, HTML5 has higher CPU usage and lower GPU usage, but videos play at the correct frame rate with no dropped frames. When YouTube still used Flash by default, all videos played at 10FPS with lots of dropped frames, no matter what video resolution I chose.

[momaka]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

Good to hear this. But I still hope YouTube keeps their players backwards-compatible with Flash 10.3 or 11.x.

HTML5 is even slower on older PCs...

+1

I am still using Flash 10.3 on many of my own PCs (many of which are Pentium 4 or AMD equivalent).
The difference between Flash 10.3 and HTML5: I can still play YouTube in 720p without lag on Flash 10.3. With HTML5, even 480p is choppy.

That said, a PC with a Core 2 Duo or newer doesn't seem to have problems handling anything up to 720p in YouTube regardless if it's Flash or HTML5.

Also, I am not sure which version of Flash started to support hardware H.264 decoding, but at one point, I remember that one of my PCs with a Radeon HD2400 was able to play even YouTube 1080p fairly well. I think it was Flash 10.x again, but I don't remember. All I remember is I had to upgrade my Flash for an online University class, and then the hardware H.264 on my Radeon HD2400 stopped working.

[SteveNielsen]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I was talking about youtube. Have you compared CPU usage?

No because there hasn't been any reason to. I see no performance hit.

[fzabkar]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

Can we now get a 4th option?

• Install now
  Remind me later
  Don't install
  Piss off and don't ever bother me again

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I was talking about youtube. Have you compared CPU usage?

[SteveNielsen]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I don't have problems with HTML5 either, only with crappy websites, and all my hardware is old stuff.

[goontron]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

HTML5 is even slower on older PCs...

exact opposite for me... Flash is laggy and crappy on my toughbook CF19 MK2 and HTML5 performs beautifully!

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

HTML5 is even slower on older PCs...

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

I hope that it fades away, the sooner, the better. Good riddance.

[stj]

Re: Aaaaaand flash is dead!

and half of japan still uses it for web-pages!