Newfound hatred for windows 8

[KeriJane]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

ROFLMAO!

What a great "Animated Evaluation".
Warning! do NOT watch that video while drinking or eating anything!

Thank you for explaining the four "C's, or CCCC.

So far as I'm concerned, MS has never gotten it "Right" on all 4 "C"s at the same time.
And now they're blowing off all four at once!

It'll be another Vista, which propelled Mac from 1-3% of computers up to 13%... and climbing!

Before you know it, it'll be M$ at a well-deserved 1-3% of the market with Linux/Unix and Mac OSX dominating the market.

Just wait until a major player like Dell or HP cooks up a UNIX OS like Apple did... That'll be Game Over for M$.
With crap like this coming out of M$, Dell and HP have got to be scrambling for "Plan B".

Although the entire video was Epic in every way, I got a huge giggle out of their ripoff of "Launchpad".

So as a Mac Enthusiast, I'd like to congratulate Microsoft on their wonderful new OS. They should go right ahead and keep trying to ripoff MacOS as they've been doing since the '90s.

[Blargh523]

Re: The hate never ends

As if Windows 8 wasn't bad enough already...

One of the worst aspects of Windows 8 for power users is that the product's very name has become a misnomer. "Windows" no longer supports multiple windows on the screen. Win8 does have an option to temporarily show a second area in a small part of the screen, but none of our test users were able to make this work. Also, the main UI restricts users to a single window, so the product ought to be renamed "Microsoft Window."

I'll be skipping windows 8 entirely. A desktop-based start menu is completely counter-intuitive to my ADHD multitasking. I make heavy use of the start button and taskbar, and hardly ever see my wallpaper. And this "one program at a time" is full of WTF. I didn't build this computer to only be able to do one thing at a time.

If Microsoft follows their usual pattern, Windows 9 should be awesome

[Colt45ws]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Ill cross post something I posted on another site..

Of course they are. I dont mind learning new things, but it feels like...its made intentionally difficult? I know thats not right..

So, I went an used it. I fired it up in VMWare again. Release Preview, btw.
Some things aren't intuitive is an understatement.
First thing was, the network wasnt connected, so I went to try to investigate.
I hovered over the right side to try to bring up the thing. After I got it to cooperate I hit 'Settings' then 'Network'.
I get there and see 'Network Limited' I click it and it bumps. The line of text and icon representing the connection get smaller for a split second, but otherwise nothing happens.
I'm Going, "What? Then what is this #%$#$ even for?"
I right click and get, 'Turn Sharing On or Off'? Thats it?
Now Im starting to overheat, "So, pretty much this whole menu is a worthless sack of #@#%#%^%@?"
So I attempt to go back and hit the word 'Networks' which is next to the back arrow. Actually, I didnt even read the actual word. Im just used to words next to a button being part of the button and thought it would bring me back. It of course did nothing, which only aggravated me further.
Once I read it though, I found it redundant. Its placement next to the back arrow makes me think it should indeed bring me back to Settings, but then again, Im in Networks right now. Then, right under that, it says 'Connections'? Isnt that the same thing? Why not have 'Settings' next to the back arrow, and under it 'Networks' like a tree? So you know you are in 'Networks' and back is 'Settings', which is above it in the tree.
After I figured out you have to actually hit the back button, I hit 'Change PC Settings' at the bottom. Network configuration is a PC setting, right?
I went through the ENTIRE thing and found NOTHING relating to network settings. In addition to that, when I accidentally hit 'HomeGroup' the thing softlocked for about 20-30 seconds; completely unresponsive save for a moving mouse and the spinning 'IM BUSY!' in place of the cursor.
Now Im HOT and feel like my head is going to pop; "You @#$@##^ worthless !@#!!, !@#@#, !@@!@$@"
One last thing to try; I hit WinKey and 'Desktop'
I bring up the right sidebar, which LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT DID ON METRO.
Hit 'Settings', which LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT DID ON METRO.
OH WAIT, IT DOESNT!
Now it has 'Control Panel' at the top. FINALLY WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE!
From there Im easily able to get to the right area to fix the problem.
Why are there three places that it looks like I could fix the network problem from, but only one of them bears fruit? Its something I now know, so I learned how to get there. But why is it so difficult? Now that I think about it, I think I went through this before; Im having a serious case of deja vu, here.
Why take such effort to hide essential adjustment mechanisms? Why doesn't the 'Settings' menu under Metro have 'Control Panel' on it as well? It could simply pop you to Desktop and bring it up. What is 'PC Settings' for? It appears to have many things that were once a part of Control Panel in older variants of Windows. Except its broken off into this new fancy menu design and called something that makes me think I can fix the network settings. However, 'Network Settings' != 'PC Settings' Right.

My favorite Linux Distro is Gentoo. Im no stranger to difficulty. I dont know how much you know about Linux, but Gentoo is pretty DIY. Meaning, it does not have an installer. When you boot the install disc, it drops you to a shell and you have to install it pretty much manually by typing all the commands to partition, format, mount, download and untar the stage3, which is a stripped down Linux install, download and compile the kernel, install that and on and on and on.
It takes some work to install it, and maintain it, but I feel the pay off is worth it as the resulting machine is tailored for the programs and stuff that I want to run with no extra stuff that I dont use.

With Win8 Im like a dog chasing my tail, a lot of work for no pay off.
It feels like they were developing two versions of Win8, one for tablet and other for PC. At some point, later in the production cycle, somepony decided to merge them together in this cobbled together mess. The 'PC Settings' is supposed to be the dumbed down menu on tablets. It has pretty much nothing that I care about in it.

So, pretty much, landfill material.

[Pentium4]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Still not a fan

[TELVM]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Have fun :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLTE_bvlWUE

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Thanks for the response, but neither of those ideas worked. Using the Terminal

sudo apt-get install mint-flashplugin

I just get an error message saying it could not find package mint-flashplugin.

Using the Synaptic Package Manager GUI it says it's installed it, but i still cannot get flash to work in Firefox. Firefox says that the Adobe Flash Plugin is installed, but it simply will not work, go to youtube and all i get is a blank space where the video should be.

I have been to adobe's website site and followed the download and install instructions exactly like they say, but still nothing.

I have a feeling it is a problem within the settings of Firefox, if i look within the Firefox preferences/Applications it says it is using the Gecko-Media Player for flash. If i try to change it to use the flash plugin it will not retain the setting, it simply defaults straight back to the Gecko player.

I am about to give up with it, have spent many many hours now trying to get it to work. But thanks for your suggestions.

Not sure why it doesn't work, maybe different versions of Mint. In my Firefox Preferences/Applications, when I search for flash I get this:

Flashvideo --> Use mplayerplug-in is now gecko-mediaplayer 1.0.4 (in Firefox)
Shockwave Flash file --> Use Shockwave Flash (in Firefox)
Spl file --> Use Shockwave Flash (in Firefox)

You can make sure the Shockwave Flash player is installed, in Tools -->Add-ons/Plugins. Also using apt, try specifying the flash version:

sudo apt-get install mint-flashplugin-11

Otherwise, completely uninstalling all affected things, and force it to redownload and reinstall (use Synaptic with the option to "Mark for complete removal".

If i do want to persevere with it i might open up a thread dedicated to the problem, rather than hijack this IE8 thread any further.

Agree. In fact, I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet.

[Steve.B]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I can help with both, in one solution.

In a terminal, enter this:

sudo apt-get update

Then this:

sudo apt-get install mint-flashplugin

That should install Flash, and give you some experience with the Linux terminal (command line is a Windows term). You can also install programs using the Synaptic Package Manager GUI, found in Administration--> Synaptic Package Manager. If for some reason it isn't installed, then install it via the terminal:

sudo apt-get install synaptic

Thanks for the response, but neither of those ideas worked. Using the Terminal

sudo apt-get install mint-flashplugin

I just get an error message saying it could not find package mint-flashplugin.

Using the Synaptic Package Manager GUI it says it's installed it, but i still cannot get flash to work in Firefox. Firefox says that the Adobe Flash Plugin is installed, but it simply will not work, go to youtube and all i get is a blank space where the video should be.

I have been to adobe's website site and followed the download and install instructions exactly like they say, but still nothing.

I have a feeling it is a problem within the settings of Firefox, if i look within the Firefox preferences/Applications it says it is using the Gecko-Media Player for flash. If i try to change it to use the flash plugin it will not retain the setting, it simply defaults straight back to the Gecko player.

I am about to give up with it, have spent many many hours now trying to get it to work. But thanks for your suggestions. If i do want to persevere with it i might open up a thread dedicated to the problem, rather than hijack this IE8 thread any further.

Cheers.

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Have currently got Linux Mint 9 on a second machine... On the whole i am slowly getting used to it, a couple of gripes, i have tried bloody everything to get flash to install in Firefox, spent all day faffing around, but with no luck. And the other thing i am struggling with is getting used to using the command terminal

I can help with both, in one solution.

In a terminal, enter this:

sudo apt-get update

Then this:

sudo apt-get install mint-flashplugin

That should install Flash, and give you some experience with the Linux terminal (command line is a Windows term). You can also install programs using the Synaptic Package Manager GUI, found in Administration--> Synaptic Package Manager. If for some reason it isn't installed, then install it via the terminal:

sudo apt-get install synaptic

[Steve.B]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

The secure boot problem is just the sort of reason why i would not want a windows 8 pc, stinks of Microsoft big brother attitude. I myself still use XP on my main pc and see no reason to change it until i am forced to. I have never touched Vista, other than removing it from dozens of other pc's. Windows 7 was better, but the fact that microsoft removed the ability for full screen video to be played on a second (clone) monitor or tv, put me off it straight away. Yes i know there are workarounds for that problem, but all involve a lot of messing about, so why should i bother when it was so simple on XP?

Have not really looked too deeply into Win8, but the few bits of info i have read have put me off straight away. Just more microsoft big brother - we know best attitude.

Have currently got Linux Mint 9 on a second machine (went for 9 because it was about the only version of mint that would fit on a regular cd, i only have an old cd player in the second machine) On the whole i am slowly getting used to it, a couple of gripes, i have tried bloody everything to get flash to install in Firefox, spent all day faffing around, but with no luck. And the other thing i am struggling with is getting used to using the command terminal - which i need to use to run some of the stuff i set the machine up for in the first place. dd_rescue being one of the programs. But i am sure i will get used to it in time.

But not sure i would want to switch from my faithful XP to Linux though, i guess i am just more comfortable with the environment i know. Lack of adventure is my problem!

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

An you thought Apple was proprietary.
Welcome to the new MS

MS envied the "Walled Garden" that Apple had developed. With Win 8, it appears they are making their own.

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I still can't quite understand why Microsoft is pushing 8 sooooo hard. It's a tablet operating system...

Because it is suppose to unify all systems under one OS (phone, tablet & PC).

[Ubuming]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

An you thought Apple was proprietary.
Welcome to the new MS

[Pentium4]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I still can't quite understand why Microsoft is pushing 8 sooooo hard. It's a tablet operating system...

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I think I saw the perfect definition of windows 8 in a windows 8 commercial yesterday during the football game....it was an 8yr old (or so) girl drawing a picture of what appeared to be her father on the screen, printing it, and postering it on her wall with others similar to it. Very befitting....and I say again, made for a 3yr old by 3yr olds!

...then of course that stupid commercial with the retards dancing around with the silly looking tablets.

Then there's the one with people drawing circles and arrows around pictures. I thought that they were playing some sort of picture tic-tac-toe (pic-tac-toe?). It turns out this is actually a method of passwordless login, and it should have been obvious to me (so I've been told).

Obvious? The commercial says absolutely nothing about what they are doing!

The real bad thing about Win8 is the implementation of the UEFI Secure Boot protocol. With this Microsoft can control what operating systems it will allow you to install on YOUR computer. It is suppose to have the disable option on Intel based computers. But, it is enabled on the Win 8 ARM version (Surface tablet). There are legal reasons for this, but I don't recall what they are. The fact remains that on Intel computers it is just an update away from being implemented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8#Secure_boot

To install Linux on a new Win 8 computer, you will need a certificate signed by MS, and they are dragging their heals on issuing one.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20155...orkaround.html

[Topcat]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I think I saw the perfect definition of windows 8 in a windows 8 commercial yesterday during the football game....it was an 8yr old (or so) girl drawing a picture of what appeared to be her father on the screen, printing it, and postering it on her wall with others similar to it. Very befitting....and I say again, made for a 3yr old by 3yr olds!

...then of course that stupid commercial with the retards dancing around with the silly looking tablets.

[Heihachi_73]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

Windows 8 just lost that 'refined' look, now it's Picasso. If I am ever forced to upgrade from XP (for example, if the world decides to block older machines from accessing the internet for "security" reasons), I will be jumping straight to Linux.

Hopefully the various Linux distros don't all end up going "mobile" on the desktop, my PC can operate quite well with a keyboard and mouse TYVM. No touchscreens or ridiculous pointing gestures required here.

Also, tablets are the hybrid car of the computing world, too much exposure to these devices may leave you inhaling your own farts without knowledge.

[shovenose]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

OK, I stand corrected.

I am corrected again!! I hate when that happens!

I have a Samsung QX410. I tried Fedora and Ubuntu on it. Neither could cope with the Intel/nVidia hybrid graphics or the touchpad that Samsung uses. I thought that I was stuck with Win7 on this thing, that is until I installed Linux Mint.

I don't know what it is that makes Mint so different, as it is based on Ubuntu, but almost everything is working. I still can't get the right-click working on the mousepad, but a two-fingered tap does the same thing.

I really don't expect you to suddenly change your mind. I feel the same way about Windows as you do about Linux. I won't even give it a chance anymore. So, I guess that makes me close-minded! (by my own definition)

I do not like Ubuntu, it just doesn't work for me. Mint has always been my favorite (for desktop/laptop) but I still don't think it's as refined as Windows or even Crap OS X. For servers, CentOS is the best by far, but I don't like desktop CentOS either. lol.

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

I do have an open mind or else I would not be on this forum :P people who do not have an open mind do not fix their monitors and computers. they go to best buy and buy the shittiest gateway, hp, acer, crap and buy it new every 2 years when it breaks.

OK, I stand corrected.

win8 did, i love it.

I am corrected again!! I hate when that happens!

...so far linux mint 14 with cinammon isn't so bad...

I have a Samsung QX410. I tried Fedora and Ubuntu on it. Neither could cope with the Intel/nVidia hybrid graphics or the touchpad that Samsung uses. I thought that I was stuck with Win7 on this thing, that is until I installed Linux Mint.

I don't know what it is that makes Mint so different, as it is based on Ubuntu, but almost everything is working. I still can't get the right-click working on the mousepad, but a two-fingered tap does the same thing.

I really don't expect you to suddenly change your mind. I feel the same way about Windows as you do about Linux. I won't even give it a chance anymore. So, I guess that makes me close-minded! (by my own definition)

[Time2Retire]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

For an emailing internet browser, linux is just fine. Has been for years!

I use it for much more than that.

I have two home-brewed DVRs using the MythTV application. I also have a file server that runs scripts that capture a weekly radio show from their internet stream, and then shares it on my LAN using NFS.

I have also compiled Android and another Linux ARM framework on my PC. I also can connect to Android devices via USB OTG cable and root or alter the OS, or install a completely different ROM.

I can easily transcode any video file, to any other type. I can also make a DVD with a complex and customized graphical menu, which I could never do on Windows (I used Nero in Win).

I stopped using MS products with WinXP, and don't seem to need it anymore.

[shovenose]

Re: Newfound hatred for windows 8

So much for using it with an open mind.

I do have an open mind or else I would not be on this forum :P people who do not have an open mind do not fix their monitors and computers. they go to best buy and buy the shittiest gateway, hp, acer, crap and buy it new every 2 years when it breaks.

Of course, with an open mind even Win8 would win you over.

win8 did, i love it.
so far linux mint 14 with cinammon isn't so bad...