How can I test non-polarized capacitor?

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  • chth96
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    Thank very much for reply.
    there is no inductor left or right to the transformer.
    I saw H46 or H90 schematic which you have attached, But it seems that it is totally different to the circuits which I tried to repair.

    And I saw MC-7CA schematic and at least It is somewhat similar to STR-S6707 area in the circuits.
    You can compare STR-S6707 area in the MC-7CA schematic to my drawing of circuits which contains resistor and capacitor near STR-S6707.
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    I already have measured ESR ohm value of all capacitor with ESR meter(MESR-100) and checked most of diode and carbon resistor in the STR-S6707 area and I replaced C810(25v 470uf Korea chemicon KME) and C811(25v 220uf samwha RG) which has higher ESR ohm value(C811 was measured over 70 ohm)
    But it won't repair black screen symptom..
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  • R_J
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    This is likely the schematic. I would replace the small electrolytics in the power supply primary, they are likely weak. C812, C810, C811
    This tv power supply is always running when it is plugged in so those caps take a beating. C810 is right next to R807 which would cook that poor electrolytic
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    Last edited by R_J; 06-25-2024, 12:35 PM.

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  • stj
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    is this similar?
    check the H46 schematic - L853 inductor left of the transformer

    or H90?
    lift R402
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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by stj
    low B+ could be a short circuit on the HV side,
    if you look at the trace for B+ you usually have a link or inductor that couples the HV section,
    you can desolder that and put a 40w 240v lamp across the B+ cap as a load - then test it again.
    Thank you very much for reply.
    I roughly draw most of flyback transformer's soldering point and its nearby components on the circuits.
    I noticed that B+ soldering point is coupled to three carbon resistor(R432,R437,R831) and C829 is the big capacitor.
    Should I isolate B+ soldering point by desoldering these three carbon resistor(R432,R437,R831) from circuits In order to connect 240v lamp and test it?
    And where should I solder 240v lamp on the bottom of PCB?
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  • stj
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    low B+ could be a short circuit on the HV side,
    if you look at the trace for B+ you usually have a link or inductor that couples the HV section,
    you can desolder that and put a 40w 240v lamp across the B+ cap as a load - then test it again.

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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by stj
    does the iinside of the tube neck glow?
    I finally soldered LITEON LTV817 D grade on the PCB circuit of 29inch CRT TV and switched on this CRT TV.
    It still displayed black screen. And It seems that it doesn't glow inside of the tube neck at all...
    and Moreover, After switching on I measured voltage of this big capacitor(160v 100uf) on the cold side,which seems to be B+ filter capacitor,It was measured only 37-38 voltage in DC Voltage mode of analogue meter,But before I replaced opto-coupler with LITEON LTV817 D grade,It was measued nearly 45 DC voltage..

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  • stj
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    maybe - try it

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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by stj
    you can find optocouplers inside almost every switching psu including ones in lcd monitors
    I purchased LITEON LTV817 D grade. But PC817 Optocoupler, which was defective, was C grade and made in Sharp corperation.
    Is it Okay to replace C grade PC817 from Sharp corperation with D grade LITEON LTV817?

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  • stj
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    you can find optocouplers inside almost every switching psu including ones in lcd monitors

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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by stj
    does the iinside of the tube neck glow?
    I have desoldered PC817 Optocoupler from PCB of this CRT TV and tested it by following below youtube tutorial.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPSwvVpMrvc
    I confirmed that a led light turned on, But unfortunately, When I measure its resistance of pin 3 and pin 4 with10k ohm range of analogue meter, I saw that It display two reading of low resistance when checking both way.
    I think that following youtube tutorial spoiled PC817 Optocoupler, So I need to find any local store where sells it.

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  • stj
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    does the iinside of the tube neck glow?

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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by R_J

    Thats what I suspect, can you post the make and model or service manual? or maybe post some pictures of the board.
    partnumber on the surface of main PCB and small PCB is

    MC-7CA(MAIN) 6870VM0056C(6) 980424 L.W.G(0)

    MC-7CA(CPT) 6870VS0167A(1) 971014 K.J.B(0)

    and model number of This LG CRT TV is CN-29H3

    Frankly speaking,I posted a thread about this CRT TV in the reddit forum.But It seems that there is no way to find the culprit of no display symptoms.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Electronics...6707_regulator
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  • R_J
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    Originally posted by chth96

    Is it means that this non-polarized capacitor(samwha NF capacitor 50v 5.6uf) has nothing to do with symptoms of no display after I heard sound of inrush of current to TV?
    Thats what I suspect, can you post the make and model or service manual? or maybe post some pictures of the board.

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  • chth96
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    Originally posted by R_J
    Usually, a cap with that rating in a crt tv is in the horz. yoke return path, if it was bad, you would likely have a narrow picture.
    Is it means that this non-polarized capacitor(samwha NF capacitor 50v 5.6uf) has nothing to do with symptoms of no display after I heard sound of inrush of current to TV?

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  • R_J
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    Usually, a cap with that rating in a crt tv is in the horz. yoke return path, if it was bad, you would likely have a narrow picture.

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  • chth96
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    How can I test non-polarized capacitor?

    I desoldered samwha NF capacitor(50v 5.6uf) from PCB circuit of 29inch CRT TV which have symptoms of no display after I heard sound of inrush of current to TV whenever I switch on this television.
    I measured ESR value of this non-polarized capacitor(samwha NF capacitor 50v 5.6uf) by means of MESR-100 ESR meter and It displayed 0.3 ohm

    And When I measured its capacitance with digital multimeter and LCR-T4 Mega328 meter, It displayed 10uf from DMM and 8uf from LCR-T4 meter.
    I found catalogue of samwha capacitor(samwha-catalogue_3.pdf file), which is attached to this thread, but there is no Tan(δ) in the characteristic entry(page 135) which is essential for ESR calculation.
    Is this non-polarized capacitor(samwha NF capacitor 50v 5.6uf) defective?
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