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  • realfastbug
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    • Aug 2018
    • 13
    • United States

    #21
    Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

    ok, I jumped the gun. The fuse is blown. I removed the primary side fets and they are shorted but the gate drive resistors and the fast-off gate drive res-diode groups look to be ok. The secondary fets also look ok. However, I realized this board has been sent in for repair already as all of these parts had already been changed before. I will see if I can find more into on who did the repair. The primary fets had been changed out with a slightly different part with lower gate charge but the specs seem similar enough I would have expected they would have survived. The original K15A50D were replaced with K20A60U FETs .

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    • silentkav
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      • Mar 2020
      • 19
      • Canada

      #22
      Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

      RM911 and RM912 both show 100ohms on mine. In fact I went to the extent of checking all the resistors in the circuit and all checked out. On mine, I do not seem to get getting power to drive the ICM901 which would then enable the QM901 and QM902 fets.

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      • R_J
        Badcaps Legend
        • Jun 2012
        • 9543
        • Canada

        #23
        Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

        Check if you have vcc voltage on pin 7, or across CM901. I believe it is a SEM3110a, Not a adp3110a
        Check if pin 6 is hot ground
        Last edited by R_J; 10-28-2020, 05:00 PM.

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        • silentkav
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          • Mar 2020
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          #24
          Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

          Without the IC installed PIN 7 is showing 15.3x V with PIN 6
          Across CM901 its 15.4 V

          We probably don't have a SEM3110A datasheet? I've been trying to find a fault based on the ADP IC.

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          • R_J
            Badcaps Legend
            • Jun 2012
            • 9543
            • Canada

            #25
            Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

            I believe the UCC25600 is a similar ic, That 15 volts is likely ok for the vcc

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            • realfastbug
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              • Aug 2018
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              #26
              Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

              Originally posted by R_J
              Check if you have vcc voltage on pin 7, or across CM901. I believe it is a SEM3110a, Not a adp3110a
              Check if pin 6 is hot ground
              That makes more sense as there is a cap going to pin4 and measured around 4v.

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              • R_J
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jun 2012
                • 9543
                • Canada

                #27
                Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                With 4v on pin4, the soft start should be complete and the ic is operating. Do you have any vcc voltage on QM905 or QM901? Check RM924
                Also check that CM906CS is good, if open the transformer has no return to ground. This type of cap can bulge if bad
                Last edited by R_J; 10-30-2020, 08:53 PM.

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                • silentkav
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                  • Mar 2020
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                  • Canada

                  #28
                  Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                  If the fuse between the 3 large capacitors and the fets is blown you have a very good chance that QM901CS at a minimum is bad.

                  I replaced the fuse on my first try, when powered up it snapped immediately. Since replacing QM901CS and QM902CS the fuse no longer blows but still it still does not output to the LED Board nor are there voltages to the transformer from the fets so as others have stated in my case it's likely the original IC which was also damaged.

                  Based on some of the latest conversations, my previous testing was based on the datasheet from the incorrect IC and when looking at the latest suggestion datasheet it makes more sense as you had also mentioned. I have ordered a couple of IC's and should have an update mid next week on my progress.

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                  • realfastbug
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                    • Aug 2018
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                    #29
                    Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                    hopefully I can get back to this next week. I did confirm with my brother that he sent this out and the primary and secondary fets were replaced along with the fuse. He said is worked for a few hours then failed again, that's when he dropped it off at my house and said have fun. One thing I noticed is the pcb seems to be a little discolored on the secondary side area between the transformer and the fets like it got hot. maybe just the repair guy was over zealous.

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                    • nomoresonys
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                      • Jan 2013
                      • 12201
                      • U.S.

                      #30
                      Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                      Originally posted by realfastbug
                      hopefully I can get back to this next week. I did confirm with my brother that he sent this out and the primary and secondary fets were replaced along with the fuse. He said is worked for a few hours then failed again, that's when he dropped it off at my house and said have fun. One thing I noticed is the pcb seems to be a little discolored on the secondary side area between the transformer and the fets like it got hot. maybe just the repair guy was over zealous.
                      Is the driver IC ok?

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                      • realfastbug
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                        • Aug 2018
                        • 13
                        • United States

                        #31
                        Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                        Originally posted by nomoresonys
                        Is the driver IC ok?
                        I haven't verified the control IC yet other than I can say that the place that repaired the board did not replace it. The gate drive resistors were ok though. My brother said it worked for a few hours then the PS blew up again so it must have an issue beyond the fets that were replaced.

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                        • Joseph MARTIN
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                          • Nov 2020
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                          #32
                          Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                          What reference ICM852 and ICM952

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                          • Joseph MARTIN
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                            #33
                            Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                            On this PCB board, the backlighting is provided by a TM901CS mid-point transformer. The rectifier diodes are replaced by mosfet QM952 and QM951. The gates are controlled by the ICM952 circuit (S742 !!!), what is the reference of this circuit ? Thank you for your understanding for my troubleshooting
                            Last edited by Joseph MARTIN; 12-10-2020, 11:37 AM.

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                            • Joseph MARTIN
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                              #34
                              Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                              Originally posted by Joseph MARTIN
                              What reference ICM852 and ICM952
                              Originally posted by Joseph MARTIN
                              On this PCB board, the backlighting is provided by a TM901CS mid-point transformer. The rectifier diodes are replaced by mosfet QM952 and QM951. The gates are controlled by the ICM952 circuit (S742 !!!), what is the reference of this circuit ? Thank you for your understanding for my troubleshooting
                              merci
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                              • Joseph MARTIN
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                                #35
                                Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                                Originally posted by Joseph MARTIN
                                merci
                                ok
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                                • Joseph MARTIN
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                                  #36
                                  Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

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                                  • Joseph MARTIN
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

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                                    Last edited by Joseph MARTIN; 12-10-2020, 01:22 PM.

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                                    • Joseph MARTIN
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                                      #38
                                      Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                                      Schéma Vdr

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                                      • Joseph MARTIN
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                                        #39
                                        Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                                        [QUOTE=Joseph MARTIN;1007806]service maual/QUOTE]

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                                        • Joseph MARTIN
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                                          #40
                                          Re: Samsung UN65JS9500 / BN44-00818A - no LED backlight

                                          [QUOTE=Joseph MARTIN;1007841]
                                          Originally posted by Joseph MARTIN
                                          service manual/QUOTE]
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