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  • sat3182000
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    • Jun 2017
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    Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

    Hi All,

    I am an electronics enthusiast and this is my second post, I recently received a TV that was struck by lightning.
    Model: KDL-40EX710

    The TV used to display the error code 7 blinks. The TV was sent to Sony for repairs but they trashed it as it was an obsolete model. Now after getting back the TV from them. The error codes have vanished. The red light comes on the relay clicks and then after 2 seconds it clicks back again.

    So I am trying to reverse engineer the power supply board.
    I have standby 3.3 V
    I am curious about the voltage in AC_OFF_DET. It shows 3.3 Volt but once I put a jumper on STBY3.3V to POWER_ON the AC_OFF_DET goes to 0V

    I feel this is not normal, I remember AC_OFF_DET being 2.3 ish to 2.8ish volts. Please help me out.

    I am trying to revive this TV.
  • dick_barton
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    Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

    Do you have any pictures of your boards?
    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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    • sat3182000
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      #3
      Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

      Thank you for the quick response.
      Yes, I managed to get the circuit as well.

      Is there any way I could get the circuit of the main board of the same TV?

      ftp://helpedia.com/pub/temp/datashee...8-11_[SCH].pdf


      upload images
      Last edited by sat3182000; 06-10-2017, 03:54 AM.

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      • dskall
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        Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

        Link does not open and picture not good enough to see much. I would be checking ac input protection components
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        • dick_barton
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          Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

          Looking at the schematic AC_Det going to 0V looks OK. Have you connected 3.3V to Power_On using a 1K resistor to see if the other supplies come up ie 12V, 24V
          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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          • sat3182000
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            #6
            Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

            Yes Other supply comes up for a second and then the relay clicks back off

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            • dick_barton
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              Re: KDL-40EX710 - Lightning srike and power surge

              Found the data sheet for the CXA3809M-T6 and it says that if the AC in is OK then AC_DETOUT output is High so PH6302 input is not turned on so AC_DET output is also high as you first thought.
              Check all the components leading in to AC_DETIN.
              Attached Files
              Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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              • sat3182000
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                Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                Status update, The relay latches when I put a jumper on STBY3.3V to POWER_ON. All other 12V does power up for a second.

                CXA3809M -> AC_DETIN gets a solid 5V
                CXA3809M -> AC_DETOUT get a solid 1.1V
                Last edited by sat3182000; 06-10-2017, 10:37 AM. Reason: faulty meter reading

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                • dskall
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                  Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                  Can you post schematic. Link not opening
                  I assume no responsibility for any stupid suggestions I might post.

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                  • sat3182000
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                    Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                    Please find the attachment
                    Attached Files

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                    • dskall
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                      Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                      Might check or remove vd6001 and vd6002
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                      • sat3182000
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                        Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                        both are fine.. I get all the 12V outputs for a second and then turns off.

                        I dont understand 001:15E OVP in the schematic Page2. where does it come from?
                        Last edited by sat3182000; 06-10-2017, 01:02 PM. Reason: Adding more query

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                        • dskall
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                          Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                          You forced power board on with main board disconnected and voltages were temporary
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                          • dick_barton
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                            Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                            Originally posted by sat3182000
                            Status update, The relay latches when I put a jumper on STBY3.3V to POWER_ON. All other 12V does power up for a second.

                            CXA3809M -> AC_DETIN gets a solid 5V
                            CXA3809M -> AC_DETOUT get a solid 1.1V
                            The STB3.3V is connected to AC_DET so will be a maximum of 3.3V. When the opto-isolator PH6302 is switched on it should go to 0V.
                            Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                            • sat3182000
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                              Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                              Originally posted by dskall
                              You forced power board on with main board disconnected and voltages were temporary
                              Yes.. I have disconnected all other boards. Just working on Powersupply board.


                              Originally posted by dick_barton
                              The STB3.3V is connected to AC_DET so will be a maximum of 3.3V. When the opto-isolator PH6302 is switched on it should go to 0V.
                              I figured it out, I am looking for the reason why the PSU is shutting down main power once I connect a 1K resistor from STBY_3.3V to Power_ON

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                              • sat3182000
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                                Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                                OK, This seems to be interesting.

                                PH6300 - PIN 1 and 2 = 1.09V - Turned on
                                PH6302 - PIN 1 and 2 = 1.05V - Turned on
                                PH6100 - PIN 1 and 2 = 8.7V - Blown out?
                                PH6201 - PIN 1 and 2 =0.96 V - Turned on

                                Looks like something is wrong with PH6100 - I was expecting around 1.2 to 1.4 but its 8.7V looks like it must have blown out.

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                                • sat3182000
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                                  Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                                  Originally posted by dick_barton
                                  The STB3.3V is connected to AC_DET so will be a maximum of 3.3V. When the opto-isolator PH6302 is switched on it should go to 0V.
                                  Thank you!!! I notice that I did not thank you before

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                                  • dick_barton
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                                    Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                                    PH6100 Pins 1-2 should just have standard diode voltage as you mention for the others so I would also consider replacing it.
                                    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                                    • sat3182000
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                                      Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                                      I did replace the component, still the same voltage on pin 1 and 2

                                      I also noticed something, i do not see the link in the board from PIN 1 of 6100 to Pin 4 of IC6800. Am I reading it wrong?

                                      Attached Files

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                                      • dick_barton
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                                        Re: Sony KDL-40EX710 - Lightning strike and power surge

                                        What voltage do you have with the meter probes set to DC placed across Pins 1 & 2


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                                        Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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