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  • Dannyx
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    • Aug 2016
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    LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

    Good day folks. Hope you can provide a bit of help on this topic, as I'm stuck as hell right now ! Got an LG 32le5300 which is driving me nuts - can't possibly figure out what's wrong with its power supply ! Here's the story: when I first got it, it had a blown fuse and one of the blue disk capacitors near the heatsink in the bottom right of my first pic (the one with the 2 transistors and the diode) was blown apart. I replaced both of those caps for good measure (221K if I remember correctly), replaced the fuse, plugged it in (with a lightbulb in series of course, being the tech-savvy guy that I believe I am ), and it glowed bright and steady....well damn >_> The area around those transistors also made sort of a whizzing sound. I obviously pulled the plug before anything could go wrong and continued my searches.
    It was time to check for shorts: none of the transistors, nor any diodes (including the bridge rectifier itself) showed any dead shorts. I even went out of my way to replace those 2 transistors and the TO-220 diode, but the result was the same: the light glowed brightly and steadily - would've definitely blown the fuse if I were to plug it straight in, that's what I mean.
    The careful observer might notice that I pulled out some jumpers at one end (including the fuse in the middle, which was NOT blown originally) - by that, what I tried to do was isolate the fault: see whether the short is in the PFC circuit or the switching part that comes after that and I'm pretty sure it's in the PFC, since even after disconnecting that fuse and any other jumpers connecting the HV side to the rest of the board, the bulb still comes on and I can hear that faint buzz coming from that general area. Interestingly, if I remove the transistors and diode entirely, the bulb goes off after a brief moment (after the reservoir caps charge up) - it's only when that PFC IC receives power and starts to switch the transistors that trouble occurs (that is, when I connect the ON/OFF pin to 3.5Vstby, which operates normally by the way). That STBY circuit is a bit of a freak: the STBY part of the board uses the negative leg of the main bridge rectifier, but has its own series of diodes for "+" placed before the relay so they're always on. That relay closes when you apply 3.5v to ON/OFF and apart from the relay, that also sends power to the switching ICs (all 3 of them: the PFC one, plus the two others for the two transformers). The only thing left to replace would be the PFC IC itself, but it's expensive as all hell and I don't want to spend money on it only to discover it's not that. Checked the majority of the SMD resistors and they're all OK...don't know what else to try ! Haven't taken too many voltage readings, since I can't keep it plugged in for too long, even with the lightbulb. Can a PFC coil go bad to such degree that it would cause a short ? I measured its terminals in pairs of 2 and there doesn't appear to be a short between the main winding and the feedback winding. The board is a PLDC-1901A (it's visible in the bottom left of the first pic). I also took a close-up of the PFC area where I think the fault is.
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  • Dannyx
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    #2
    Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

    Also, yes, I know of the D-PAK transistors in the middle of the board is missing, but that's because I broke one of its legs when I desoldered it to check it . It doesn't matter though, because that part doesn't even receive power, since I disconnected it from the PFC side by pulling out that white fuse.
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    • CapLeaker
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      • Dec 2014
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      #3
      Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

      If the PFC transistors that you have taken out were good, then I don't think the PFC is stuck on. Neither you have a short in the primary power you say. The fuse blew for a different reason, that cap you replaced is a snubber cap.

      I assume you have the PSU "forced on" and plugged in. Undo the forced on, and just plug it in by itself. That way only the STBY circuit is running. The PFC is only running when the PSU is turned on or forced on.

      And yes, fix the other things that you did to the PSU, to get it back to stock.
      Last edited by CapLeaker; 09-23-2016, 11:38 AM.

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      • Dannyx
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        #4
        Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

        Originally posted by CapLeaker
        If the PFC transistors that you have taken out were good, then I don't think the PFC is stuck on. Neither you have a short in the primary power you say. The fuse blew for a different reason, that cap you replaced is a snubber cap.

        I assume you have the PSU "forced on" and plugged in. Undo the forced on, and just plug it in by itself. That way only the STBY circuit is running. The PFC is only running when the PSU is turned on or forced on.

        And yes, fix the other things that you did to the PSU, to get it back to stock.
        If I don't connect the ON/OFF pin to 3.5v to "force it on" as you say, then it behaves normally: lightbulb stays off and I'm getting the correct 3.5v on the standby rail and around 300v on the main STBY capacitor after the small diodes in series, but as soon as I "turn it on" by connecting 3.5v to On/OFF, the relay clicks and the light goes on nice and bright, which is why I believed the PFC IC is stuck on - I might be wrong though, of course. Yes, the transistors were indeed good when I took them out initially.
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        • budm
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          #5
          Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

          Originally posted by Dannyx
          If I don't connect the ON/OFF pin to 3.5v to "force it on" as you say, then it behaves normally: lightbulb stays off and I'm getting the correct 3.5v on the standby rail and around 300v on the main STBY capacitor after the small diodes in series, but as soon as I "turn it on" by connecting 3.5v to On/OFF, the relay clicks and the light goes on nice and bright, which is why I believed the PFC IC is stuck on - I might be wrong though, of course. Yes, the transistors were indeed good when I took them out initially.
          So the lamp is bright (PD-SON applied) even the fuse F101 is lifted? What is Wattage of the lamp anyway?

          Power supply PCBA LG # EAY60802801
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          • Dannyx
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            #6
            Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

            Originally posted by budm
            So the lamp is bright (PD-SON applied) even the fuse F101 is lifted? What is Wattage of the lamp anyway?

            Power supply PCBA LG # EAY60802801
            Correct on the fuse part. I believe it's a 40w bulb. I've been using it for a long time now with great results, so I know that with a properly working PSU, it should stay off or at the very most glow VERY dimly (just an orange glow across the filament, if that).
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            • budm
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              #7
              Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

              With that fuse removed then you have very light load.
              So it looks like you have active shorts, if the PC MOSFET is bad it will blow the main fuse without PS-ON present. I suspect you have bad PFC Controller IC.
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              • Dannyx
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                #8
                Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                Originally posted by budm
                With that fuse removed then you have very light load.
                So it looks like you have active shorts, if the PC MOSFET is bad it will blow the main fuse without PS-ON present. I suspect you have bad PFC Controller IC.
                Thought so too, but at the same time the MOSFETs would only blow the fuse when you attempt to power on the thing by connecting the PS-ON pin to 3.5v, since the relay is in series with one of the AC legs of the main bridge rectifier, essentially cutting the power to the whole board, thus no power is going to the FETs. On that note, I also tried shunting the relay (without PS-ON) to see what happens and it all looked good, since the power went only to the bridge and caps while the PFC and FETs remained off, since the relay's coil was also off (which is on the same circuit with the PFC IC's VCC pin) - confusing as hell, I know.
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                • budm
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                  #9
                  Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                  Originally posted by Dannyx
                  Thought so too, but at the same time the MOSFETs would only blow the fuse when you attempt to power on the thing by connecting the PS-ON pin to 3.5v, since the relay is in series with one of the AC legs of the main bridge rectifier, essentially cutting the power to the whole board, thus no power is going to the FETs. On that note, I also tried shunting the relay (without PS-ON) to see what happens and it all looked good, since the power went only to the bridge and caps while the PFC and FETs remained off, since the relay's coil was also off (which is on the same circuit with the PFC IC's VCC pin) - confusing as hell, I know.
                  OK, I look at the board closely, so the relay feed the Bridge rectifier for the main power supply to run the PFC and the rest of the power supply. I will need to re-read you post again about the PFC MOSFET.
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                  • Dannyx
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                    #10
                    Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                    Originally posted by budm
                    OK, I look at the board closely, so the relay feed the Bridge rectifier for the main power supply to run the PFC and the rest of the power supply. I will need to re-read you post again about the PFC MOSFET.
                    Yeah you do that. Thanks
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                    • budm
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                      #11
                      Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                      I did not see any info about the two two PFC Power MOSFETs being removed from the board for testing.
                      OK, so the two PFC Power MOSFETs (mounted on the heatsink) do not show low resistance in circuit between S and D? BTW, what is the resistance between the two legs of the main filter of the main power supply that runs off the the relay?
                      P/N of the PFC IC?
                      Last edited by budm; 09-23-2016, 02:12 PM.
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                      • Dannyx
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                        #12
                        Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                        Originally posted by budm
                        I did not see any info about the two two PFC Power MOSFETs being removed from the board for testing
                        Oh, so I did that good of a job soldering them back that they look factory-made ? Thanks They were removed and put back MANY times in fact, though I believe that picture was taken after I put in a fresh pair, so that would be their first solder.
                        What is this "main filter" you're talking about ? I know the pics aren't clear enough to see the part numbers, but perhaps you could point out the general position of the part.
                        I don't have the board on hand right now, but I'm pretty sure the PFC IC is an SG6961 from what I recall. It doesn't have any shorts between VCC and GND.
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                        • budm
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                          #13
                          Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                          No need to remove the PFC MOSFETs, justcheck the S-D resistance for now.
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                          • budm
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                            #14
                            Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                            What is this "main filter" you're talking about ?
                            The two of them laying on their sides, 68uF 450VDC, they are connected in parallel so pick one to check the resistance between the +/- legs.
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                            • budm
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                              #15
                              Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                              SG6961
                              If the UPPER internal MOSFET of the PFC drive output (see spec sheet for internal diagram of the IC) is shorted or has leakage resistance between the VCC pin 8 and the GATE Drive pin 7, that will bias on the PFC MOSFETs instead of switching it ON and OFF.
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                              • Dannyx
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                                #16
                                Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                                Originally posted by budm
                                SG6961
                                If the UPPER internal MOSFET of the PFC drive output (see spec sheet for internal diagram of the IC) is shorted or has leakage resistance between the VCC pin 8 and the GATE Drive pin 7, that will bias on the PFC MOSFETs instead of switching it ON and OFF.
                                I'll answer to all of your posts in one reply: I'm 90% sure that IC is busted.
                                Now about those "reservoir caps" as I like to call those 450v ones The resistance is pretty high from what I recall (meter displayed OL, though I can't remember how the leads were connected polarity-wise). Also, when I shunted the relay without the PFC IC powered, I essentially sent power to the bridge rectifier and ultimately to those caps and my "safety lamp" stayed off, indicating there's no breakdown inside those caps, at least at line voltage, when the TV would be off. I know that the caps could have a breakdown only when subjected to the boosted voltage (380v+) of the PFC, but a faulty reservoir cap is something I haven't seen too often, that's why I ruled them out entirely.
                                About the FETs: the ones currently on there are brand new, so there's no doubt they're fine. I'm sure the original ones are OK too, since what I do is put my meter on continuity and probe around listening for beeps: if I get one, that means there's a short in the transistor and swap it immediately. If not, I check around once again using the diode function which puts out a bit more voltage to hopefully give a bit of gate drive and possibly reveal any faults - not the case here on either of the two pairs: new and old, so once again all fingers point towards that IC.
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                                • CapLeaker
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                                  #17
                                  Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                                  Originally posted by Dannyx
                                  If I don't connect the ON/OFF pin to 3.5v to "force it on" as you say, then it behaves normally: lightbulb stays off and I'm getting the correct 3.5v on the standby rail and around 300v on the main STBY capacitor after the small diodes in series, but as soon as I "turn it on" by connecting 3.5v to On/OFF, the relay clicks and the light goes on nice and bright, which is why I believed the PFC IC is stuck on - I might be wrong though, of course. Yes, the transistors were indeed good when I took them out initially.
                                  aah! I got it now. Change out the PFC IC. You were on the right track. However, if that is the case, I would test the PFC IC like budm already mentioned. If it is "stuck on" a resistance test will give you the answer.

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                                  • Dannyx
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                                    #18
                                    Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                                    Originally posted by CapLeaker
                                    aah! I got it now. Change out the PFC IC. You were on the right track. However, if that is the case, I would test the PFC IC like budm already mentioned. If it is "stuck on" a resistance test will give you the answer.
                                    Ok, but can I do that in-circuit ? Surely my meter will pick up SOME resistance between VCC and GATE :|
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                                    • budm
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                                      #19
                                      Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                                      I have you test the resistance on the main filter cap because the loads are connected in parallel with the cap, that's one quick way to find out if the load/s, or the cap itself is shorted or have low resistance that can cause the fuse to blow or drawing too much current, then you will start isolating the circuit connected to the cap, just like you disconnected that fuse which is for feeding the main SMPS circuit.
                                      Last edited by budm; 09-23-2016, 03:43 PM.
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                                      • Dannyx
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                                        #20
                                        Re: LG 32le5300 with bad power supply (help)

                                        Originally posted by budm
                                        I have you test the resistance on the main filter cap because the loads are connected in parallel with the cap, that's one quick way to find out if the load/s, or the cap itself is shorted or have low resistance that can cause the fuse to blow or drawing too much current, then you will start isolating the circuit connected to the cap, just like you disconnected that fuse which is for feeding the main SMPS circuit.
                                        No shorts there from what my meter's telling me. How about trying to pull out the caps entirely and replace them with just one that has a value equal to the sum of the two ? That would be 68+68=136. There's no such value cap from what I know, so I'll go with the closest one available.
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