Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

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  • scurrilous
    New Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 7
    • United States

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    Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

    I've done a lot of web research over the last few days, but haven't found a failure mode quite like this. My Samsung LN52A650 (fluorescent LCD from 2008) has intermittent random horizontal lines across the entire screen. They occur regardless of the input source and on top of any OSD menu overlays. They seem sharply defined, as if they're digital in nature, not some analog/power issue in driving the panel. They vary in intensity from a single raster every few seconds to covering almost the whole screen continuously. When they get really intense, the TV will restart and the cycle will repeat. Attached photos show a scene with and without the lines (and also the T-con board). I also recorded a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0RrRdSpS_U

    Since this model was affected by the Samsung bad cap class-action, and bad power can cause all sorts of issues, I looked at the PSU caps first. None were bulging or leaking, but just in case, I replaced the 4 820/1000 uF caps at the low voltage output. No change in behavior and the old caps tested okay.

    My best guess so far is that the issue is somewhere between the output side of the main board processor and the input side of the T-con board processor. Spraying freezing spray on the T-con processor seemed to calm the issue, though the issue can be intermittent enough to make it difficult to be sure. I also tried freezing the main board processor, but there seemed to be even less of a correlation. I've reseated both ends of the LVDS cable and the T-con end of the ribbon cables, but it had no effect. Disconnecting the LVDS cable while the noise and restarting were continuous stopped the restarting. Reconnecting the T-con and restarting, such that the main board processor was still hot and the T-con processor had cooled, seemed to calm the issue. So while I've heard claims that T-con board failure doesn't cause horizontal lines, that's my best guess so far. Assuming the data over the LVDS is horizontal raster-oriented, it seems to be getting corrupted in bursts along the way. Since the issue seems to vary with heat, and wiggling the LVDS cable does nothing, I'm assuming it's not the cable.

    I'd appreciate any thoughts on the issue. Should I try replacing the T-con board next?
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  • martino
    Not so "senior"
    • Aug 2013
    • 997
    • canada

    #2
    Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

    Can almost guarantee that that is a bad BGA chip on the t-con board.
    Don't kill me if it isn't but I'm with you,I'd replace the t-con.Or try to reflow it.
    Shopjimmie is out but seen several on fleebay around the $50 mark
    Last edited by martino; 06-14-2016, 12:18 AM.
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    • dick_barton
      Badcaps Legend
      • Aug 2015
      • 6642
      • Wales

      #3
      Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

      With the back off can you run a fan to keep the Tcon cool while running the set to see if this stops the problem and confirms the Tcon as the culprit?
      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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      • ReeceyBurger123
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        • May 2014
        • 7325
        • Britain

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        Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

        Originally posted by martino
        can almost guarantee that that is a bad bga chip on the t-con board.
        Don't kill me if it isn't but i'm with you,i'd replace the t-con.or try to reflow it.
        Shopjimmie is out but seen several on fleebay around the $50 mark
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        • scurrilous
          New Member
          • Jun 2016
          • 7
          • United States

          #5
          Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

          Thanks, guys, I'll try as Dick suggests and see if I can get a focused fan on the T-con heatsink to see if that will stop the issue. If not, I'll try the main board heatsink. Once I'm confident of which it is, I may try a DIY BGA reflow. Even with a low chance of success, it can't get much worse. :-) I think I can get a $40 T-con off eBay if that doesn't work. I'm hoping it's not the main board, as those run $60-100, for a used part of unknown mileage.

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          • scurrilous
            New Member
            • Jun 2016
            • 7
            • United States

            #6
            Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

            The problem was the T-con. I got one off eBay for $40 and the TV works fine now.

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            • maxvalutech
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Dec 2014
              • 804
              • australia

              #7
              Re: Samsung LN52A650: intermittent random horizontal lines

              For what it is worth I had exactly same problem on LA40A650 with horizontal blocks turning off then on etc etc. Noticed it changed to a good or other picture if I gave the set a small slap on the back . Turned out to be a loose wire in connector ribbon tcon side . Cleaned contacts with toothbrush gave all wiring a good push into connector and checked fitting secure then taped the ribbon cable down securely as well. After that no further problems.

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