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  • dbier63
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2015
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    #1

    Vizio M421VT no power

    When set is plugged in all that I get is the logo light. No relay action or any back light at all. took voltage measurements from CN904. Only voltage present was the 5.2V all others were zero. Also no voltage present on any of the VLED terminals. Please advise.
    Thanks
  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Vizio M421VT no power

    Please upload the pictures of the whole back side of the TV so we can see how all the boards are connected together.
    Since you do have the standby Voltage to run the main board but there is no command signals coming out of the main board to turn on the rest of the power supplies then there is problem in the main board some where.

    Which one of these is your main board?
    http://www.shopjimmy.com/catalogsear...q=Vizio+M421VT
    Last edited by budm; 09-30-2015, 10:30 AM.
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    TV Factory reset codes listing:
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    • dbier63
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      • Aug 2015
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      #3
      Re: Vizio M421VT no power

      Thanks Bud, here are the pictures
      Attached Files

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      • CapLeaker
        Leaking Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 8195
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: Vizio M421VT no power

        Picture #2 top left, there is a pin out. We need that too.
        Try to turn that TV on and post all the voltages you get from that connector with the corresponding pin out.

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        • dbier63
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          • Aug 2015
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          #5
          Re: Vizio M421VT no power

          Ok I did that earlier and the only ones that had any voltage were the 2 five volt pins and they were both close to 5. I will check all again tonight and write them down. I assume that you want the readings with the connector on?

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Vizio M421VT no power

            There are pin labels for that CN904 of the power supply/LED driver board but the wires are in the way so I cannot see the labels for the pins.
            https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1443656955
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • dbier63
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2015
              • 157
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              #7
              Re: Vizio M421VT no power

              Board pictures
              Attached Files

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                OK, so far we know that the main board is getting the 5VSTBY to run, but looking at the power supply board connector CN904, there is a pin named 'ACD' for AC Detect which will generate the signal to tell the main board the condition of the incoming AC'
                You have indicated that you only has the 5V and nothing else on other pins of the CN904.
                I do not know if the ACD signal should be normally HIGH if the AC is OK, or normally LOW if AC is not OK. This ACD signal can lock up the main board and not allow it to send any command signals until the AC is OK.
                So it can be that we are having the problem with ACD or the ACD is OK but there is the problem with the main board.
                In SONY TV ACD normal = HIGH, I do not know what VIZIO uses.
                One way to find out is to remove that ACD wire from the CN904 and then use 1K , 1/4W resistor between the 5VSTBY and the exposed end of that ACD wire to pull the ACD signal to HIGH to see if the TV will turn on.
                Last edited by budm; 10-01-2015, 02:38 PM.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • dbier63
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2015
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                  #9
                  Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                  Great I will get a 1K 1/4 watt resistor tonight from work and give it a try tomorrow. Also record all voltages and post the numbers.

                  Thank you for your input.

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                  • dbier63
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 157
                    • usa

                    #10
                    Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                    Removed terminal connector from ACD and installed 1k 1/4w resistor in series with 5.2v terminal. No change. Still no power. Took voltage readings from the following points on CN904:
                    ON-OFF) .366v
                    DIM) .002v
                    12v) .377v
                    12v) .377v
                    GND) -.003v
                    GND) -.003v
                    GND) -.003v
                    24v) -.005v
                    24v) -.005v
                    PS_ON) -.002v
                    5.2v) 5.156v
                    5.2v) 5.156v
                    ACD) .001v

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                      You have to have the connector back in place for the main board to communicate with the power supply but without the ACD wire in place.
                      But If you do have the connector in place then the main board dead.
                      Last edited by budm; 10-02-2015, 09:12 PM.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • dbier63
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 157
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                        #12
                        Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                        All readings are with reference to GND.

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                        • dbier63
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2015
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                          #13
                          Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                          I did have the connector in place. Just removed the ACD pin from it.

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                          • dbier63
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2015
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                            #14
                            Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                            Thanks Bud, it does look like a bad main. I checked around not a cheap board.
                            Figures. Thanks again

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                              So the free ACD WIRE that goes back to the main has a resistor connected to the wire and another end of the resistor is connected to 5V and all the signals are all dead, then the main board is really bad then.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              • dbier63
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2015
                                • 157
                                • usa

                                #16
                                Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                                What I would really like to do is find out which board component is bad then take it to work and replace the part. Need a schematic.

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                                • budm
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Feb 2010
                                  • 40746
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                                  You can try disconnecting the WIFI board and see what happen, then try the cable to the key board (but you will have to use the remote to tuRn on the TV).
                                  There should be some Voltage regulator ICs on the main board, and some fuses too.
                                  Last edited by budm; 10-02-2015, 09:19 PM.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                  Comment

                                  • dbier63
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Aug 2015
                                    • 157
                                    • usa

                                    #18
                                    Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                                    Yes correct I installed a resistor from the 5.2v terminal connector which was plugged into the PS board. The other end of the resistor had the ACD free wire clipped to it.

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                                    • dbier63
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Aug 2015
                                      • 157
                                      • usa

                                      #19
                                      Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                                      Ok I'll try wifi board disconnect and check results.

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                                      • dbier63
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Aug 2015
                                        • 157
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Vizio M421VT no power

                                        No change with wifi disconnected

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