LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

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  • smartjohn
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 116
    • USA

    #1

    LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

    Hello all,

    I picked up this 50 inch plasma set for about $40. It's doing about the same thing as several other threads have described with a couple of weird twists!

    First off when I apply power, I get the click right off. Front panel light goes from REd to Blue. I'm not hitting power or touching the remote! Yeah it's possessed ! No picture but I did manage to flip through all inputs until I heard the sound working on the composite input I am using.

    I checked all voltages on the power supply and found all to be within range, at least so i thought!

    I then tried pulling the upper buffer board which gave me the following behavior:
    1. Lower half of screen has gray backlighting, no picture
    2. After 3 minutes I get vertical line noise of yellow & orange lines (see picture)
    3. About 10 - 15 seconds after the lines come, the power cuts out competley
    4. The whole thing repeats when I power it back up


    At this point I suspected something in the power supply or Y-SUS board.

    Power supply is the EAY41360901, same as model 50PG20.

    I pulled the power supply and determined Q801 & Q802 (18N50 mosfets) were shorted and Fuse F801 (T5AH250V) was open. I decided to try the minimalist approach and replace only the above. (maybe a bad guess).

    After replacing the above, I get the same exact behavior. So I am still leaning towards a bad power supply based on all the comments in other threads about this. I did not replace IC 101 which may be the major source of this weird un-powered boot-up action.

    Also, I am not getting any indication from the RED led (on the main board or control board) which also kind of points to the AC Detect issue. However, I have checked the AC DETECT line and it seems to be near 5V most of the time. It's not rock solid and does jump around a bit. Another reason I think the IC may be bad.

    My next step I am trying is to get the Shopjimmy kit to repair the PS which include the 3 ICs, and Q801, Q802, Q601, Q602 and some Caps.

    I guess it still could be the Y-SUS but I'm taking it one step at a time.
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    Last edited by smartjohn; 09-14-2014, 01:18 PM.
  • zacheriaj
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 138
    • United States

    #2
    Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

    can you post clear pictures of the boards please. By "Pulling the buffer" do you mean you disconnected it and then the behavior started?
    You Can't Succeed Until You're Willing to Fail

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    • smartjohn
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 116
      • USA

      #3
      Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

      Yes, I removed the upper buffer board as many have indicted this can cause a similar behavior. Pictures are coming shortly.. Thanks!

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      • tom66
        EVs Rule
        • Apr 2011
        • 32560
        • UK

        #4
        Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

        Probably a bad top buffer board, it's a common fault on these models. Check -Vy and Vsc on Y-sustain with and without top buffer board in.

        Should be approx -180V and 150V respectively.
        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        • smartjohn
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 116
          • USA

          #5
          Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

          Upper Buffer & Y-SUS (also close-ups of part # data)
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          • smartjohn
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 116
            • USA

            #6
            Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

            There may be some other issues, but good chance upper buffer is bad:

            With upper buffer in: Vy = +54 Vsc = +54

            Without Upper Buffer: Vy = -98 Vsc = +48

            Still cuts completely out after 5 min.

            Vs = 190 Va = 58 (in both conditions)

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            • smartjohn
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 116
              • USA

              #7
              Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

              Also Q772 on the Y-sus looks suspicious. It appears there is some heat or flash discoloration around the screw..
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              • smartjohn
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 116
                • USA

                #8
                Re: LG 50PG25 Plasma - Sound no Picture for 5 min

                Replaced the upper buffer board (was reading less than 13 ohms). Now I am getting consistent sound with no picture, but the unit is more stable and does not cut out after 5 minutes. Need to go back and review the main PS voltages.

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