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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #21
    Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

    That doesn't make sense, why would they do that?
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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    • freakaftr8
      Badcaps Legend
      • Oct 2012
      • 3743
      • USA

      #22
      Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

      Through a series of bridges on the circuit board. I have to be overlooking something. All the output pins on the secondary side of the transformers are also shorted to ground
      Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #23
        Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

        On the secondary windings, one end of each winding will be tied to cold side circuit ground, the other end of the winding will feed the Anode side of the rectifier diode, so yes, you will read very low DCR (DC resistance) of the winding.
        At this point with the power supply by itself and you force on the PS_ON pin and the result is that you still do not have PFC voltage booster working, you need to find out if the PFC Controller IC is getting the voltage at its VCC pin.
        Last edited by budm; 01-22-2014, 05:35 PM.
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        • freakaftr8
          Badcaps Legend
          • Oct 2012
          • 3743
          • USA

          #24
          Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

          On my pictures which one would that be. I still have 18v shorted to ground though
          Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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          • freakaftr8
            Badcaps Legend
            • Oct 2012
            • 3743
            • USA

            #25
            Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

            If you cannot tell I usually ace with board repairs but when it comes to power supplies for some reason if it's not the usual mosfet failure or a diode here or there I'm lost...
            Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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            • budm
              Badcaps Legend
              • Feb 2010
              • 40746
              • USA

              #26
              Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

              Can I see the pictures of that 18v section, both side of the board?
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #27
                Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                The PFC controller and SMPS circuit is the small circuit board sitting vertically with 8 pins on it, close to the bridge rectifier.
                Last edited by budm; 01-22-2014, 11:21 PM.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #28
                  Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                  I look at this thread:
                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...Olevia+337-B11

                  Which I redlined the board, I do not see 18V power supply.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • freakaftr8
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 3743
                    • USA

                    #29
                    Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                    Bud you are the man. Thanks. The 18v is here.

                    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PDAkne26cG...-237-T11-2.jpg
                    Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                    • freakaftr8
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 3743
                      • USA

                      #30
                      Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                      All other voltages show at least 1k ohm to ground. The 18v is 1 ohm. Definitely an issue.
                      Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #31
                        Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1363927087

                        As you can see, you can see the connection from the center pin of the 12V rectifier that flows through those red lines, you can lift off the inductor or jumper of that path to see if the short will go away. That will be the way to isolate the short. The rectifier can also be shorted out which needs to be checked. There is also small SMD cap C39 on the 12v and Gnd.
                        There is no sign that some one had replaced that rectifier for 12V and put in one that does not have Isolated tab?
                        Last edited by budm; 01-23-2014, 12:46 AM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • freakaftr8
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3743
                          • USA

                          #32
                          Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                          Ok that 12 rectifier is a diode. It measures shorted all across the 3 legs only on the board. I pulled it and it's not shorted. The short is on the board it seems
                          Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #33
                            Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                            So it's still reading short with the diode removed? Then next step is to remove the jumpers, inductor in the path to the connector.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • freakaftr8
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 3743
                              • USA

                              #34
                              Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                              I just looked at a delta power supply out of a sanyo. Similar setup. I get 365 ohms to ground on 12v side. 24v high like 26kohms.
                              Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                              • freakaftr8
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 3743
                                • USA

                                #35
                                Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                Ok I removed the inductor after the rectifier and no more short.
                                However still no success. This boards cheap enough I may just order another and pin out this board and try to find the issue between measurements between the two
                                Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                • freakaftr8
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Oct 2012
                                  • 3743
                                  • USA

                                  #36
                                  Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                  I'm measuring -14.8vdc at the vcc pin of the pfc ic on the stand up board of course ground is measured of the ground pan of the PFC IC
                                  Last edited by freakaftr8; 01-23-2014, 04:33 PM.
                                  Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                  • freakaftr8
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Oct 2012
                                    • 3743
                                    • USA

                                    #37
                                    Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                    If my bridge rectifier is bad would I still have 5V stand by?
                                    Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                    • budm
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 40746
                                      • USA

                                      #38
                                      Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                      The 5VSTBY is an always on power supply, meaning it is on and running the minute you plug the power cord into the AC outlet, the 12V (18V?) and 24V are switched power supply which will come on when PS_ON signal is applied to the board.
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                      Comment

                                      • freakaftr8
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Oct 2012
                                        • 3743
                                        • USA

                                        #39
                                        Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                        well I just picked up a new power supply for this TV brand new OEM sound deal on it for 20 dollars. So I do some measurements test connected together and powered on and I get the Olivia flash screen but then as soon as it goes to a darker picture the backlight start flickering like crazy. The only way to get the back lights from flickering is to have an all white screen now I know this sounds unusual but as soon as there is anything displayed besides white it gets the backlight start flickering again I checked both of us I've got no change between when its flickering in when it is flickering except for the 24 volt DC out to the inverters that starts jumping between 22 and 24 volt. Now if I disconnect a slave inverter I have a solid 24 volt but of course I do not have a picture. I was doing some studying on this particular set up and one person had the same issue and they replace the t-con board which fixed it there is a 3-pin ribbon that goes from the tcon to the master inverter. but I can remove the LVDS from tee time and I still have a flickering background. only with both inverters connected at the same time do I get the flickering
                                        Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                        • freakaftr8
                                          Badcaps Legend
                                          • Oct 2012
                                          • 3743
                                          • USA

                                          #40
                                          Re: Olevia 337-b11 no dc

                                          after much diagnosing I have a feeling that there's something wrong in the primary inverter. When powered up the Olivia flash screen which is white shows perfect no flickering but as soon as the screen gets to a darker image the backlight start to Flicker. I can connect my laptop and as soon as I open Internet Explorer the screen shows white which causes the backlights not the Flicker anymore. I've tried heating up the inverters and cooling inverters to no avail. The 24 volt output of the power supply when this is happening likes to very and I hear settle clicking sound from the primary inverter the blue light on the inverter coincidence with a ticking sound coming from the primary inverter. I don't believe it's a power supply issue if I disconnect both inverters I get a solid 24 volts. If I disconnect either inverter leaving one connected I still get a solid 24 volts but as soon as both inverters are in circuit the backlight starts to Flickr unless it's an all white screen.
                                          Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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