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  • mattpd
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Oct 2012
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    #1

    How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

    I thought it would be a fun hobby to pick up TVs with broken panels and sell the boards on eBay. I was wrong! I keep getting people wanting to return for various reasons. A few days ago it was a ysus board that "only worked for a second, but another board I have works all day" which I suspect blew from an error on the buyers. Today its a main board that is giving weird display issues. I can maybe understand a ysus or xsus board going out from a break in the panel shorting something out. But a main board breaking from a broken panel? And the TV didn't appear to have fallen, so there wasn't any great impact to the boards... These TVs are long gone now, so I have no way of testing the returned parts.
  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

    You just have to accept the returns and deal with it; if you don't want bulls**t excuses, you can always say "14 day return policy buyer pays shipping" so they don't claim they're faulty.
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    • mattpd
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Oct 2012
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      #3
      Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

      Does this look like a bad main board in a LCD set? He said he tried it with two different tcon boards.
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      • drpj23
        Badcaps Veteran
        • May 2012
        • 528
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        #4
        Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

        I would call main on that, the video processing is getting a little screwy.

        Especially if 2 TCONs didn't work.

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        • IamCanadian
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 119
          • Canada

          #5
          Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

          You have to be SURE the part you are selling matches their part exactly revision and everything. A board may fit 2 or 3 diffrent size tv's but will only work right on the size it was made for, suffix or rev number.
          This may not be true in all cases, But ya got to cover your butt.

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          • retiredcaps
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            • Apr 2010
            • 9271

            #6
            Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

            Originally posted by mattpd
            I thought it would be a fun hobby to pick up TVs with broken panels and sell the boards on eBay. I was wrong! I keep getting people wanting to return for various reasons.
            Many people fancy themselves as TV repair people because they saw a video on youtube, got lucky with a few bad caps, or came here and got help from the regulars who handheld them through the entire troubleshooting process.

            In reality, most are shotgunners ("I changed this board and still have the same problem") with no clue on how to diagnose and narrow down the problem. Even then, they don't take the extra steps to check for shorts, unstable voltages, blown fuses, etc.

            If you don't want returns, sell your boards for below market value and state that there are no returns for any reason.
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            • IamCanadian
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2012
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              #7
              Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

              The internet will be the death of problem solving...Internet has ALL the answers...

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              • ryan74
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Oct 2012
                • 471
                • usa

                #8
                Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                Originally posted by retiredcaps
                Many people fancy themselves as TV repair people because they saw a video on youtube, got lucky with a few bad caps, or came here and got help from the regulars who handheld them through the entire troubleshooting process.

                In reality, most are shotgunners ("I changed this board and still have the same problem") with no clue on how to diagnose and narrow down the problem. Even then, they don't take the extra steps to check for shorts, unstable voltages, blown fuses, etc.

                If you don't want returns, sell your boards for below market value and state that there are no returns for any reason.
                I have to admit this is how I started and I guess I'm a shotgunner, but I'm trying to take the next step and educate myself. I apologize if it gets irritating but I can't afford school. The help you give to us guys is great and I can't say how greatfull I have been. I made my car payment from selling a tv you helped fix so thanks for helping out everyone.
                I actually just finished a post where I replaced the sc board and still have the same prob:-)
                Last edited by ryan74; 11-17-2012, 01:14 AM.

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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                  Originally posted by mattpd
                  Does this look like a bad main board in a LCD set? He said he tried it with two different tcon boards.
                  That is not main board, but instead a Panel Config problem, you have taken the board from a TV with one panel and it has been put with the wrong panel. It may be possible to configure the main board to use a different panel from the service menu.
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                  • mattpd
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 302
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                    #10
                    Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                    Originally posted by tom66
                    That is not main board, but instead a Panel Config problem, you have taken the board from a TV with one panel and it has been put with the wrong panel. It may be possible to configure the main board to use a different panel from the service menu.
                    So you think this board is safe to sell again?

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                    • tom66
                      EVs Rule
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 32560
                      • UK

                      #11
                      Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                      Yes. But the owner may be able to fix it by accessing the service menu and changing the panel configuration.
                      Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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                      • mattpd
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Oct 2012
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                        #12
                        Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                        I think it's already in the mail on the way back

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                        • tom66
                          EVs Rule
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 32560
                          • UK

                          #13
                          Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                          Next time note down the panel model # on the back of the chassis and note this with the ebay auction. (Only for main/digital video boards; doesn't apply for most other boards.)
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                          • mattpd
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                            #14
                            Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                            Buyer admits his tv was 32" while the board came from a 46". Does this apply to all brands of LCDs? What about plasmas?

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                            • Mr Bill
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                              • Nov 2011
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                              #15
                              Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                              Originally posted by mattpd
                              Buyer admits his tv was 32" while the board came from a 46". Does this apply to all brands of LCDs?
                              Yes, His board might have the same "board" numbers but there are some boards that have a bar code sticker where the actual part number is.

                              What about plasmas?
                              Same thing as above. The X & Y sustains, buffers ect. need to have what panel was in the broken television.

                              Use shop jimmys site to see if the board you are selling is compatible with other tvs. Alot of auctions i see the sellers just cut and paste the info directly.

                              Also, after you get the board back and refund the money you can cancel the transaction so you'll get the final value fees credited back to your account.

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                              • mattpd
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                                • Oct 2012
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                                #16
                                Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                                Cool, thanks guys. I will use shop jimmy for a reference from now on.

                                Back to the original question. Is it possible a damaged plasma panel could screw up a X or Y sus board? Or maybe a buffer board?

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                                • drpj23
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                                  • May 2012
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                                  #17
                                  Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                                  In the case of one Panasonic I had, the electrodes had shorted and were killing my buffers. But if you look closely at the panel you'll see a burn mark. But otherwise, I have only seen that once and have never seen cracked panels cause any problems.

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                                  • ryan74
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                                    • Oct 2012
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                                    #18
                                    Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                                    Originally posted by drpj23
                                    In the case of one Panasonic I had, the electrodes had shorted and were killing my buffers. But if you look closely at the panel you'll see a burn mark. But otherwise, I have only seen that once and have never seen cracked panels cause any problems.
                                    I was going to buy buffer boards till I saw this. I have panasonic tc-p42u1 plasma with bad buffers and I have been worried about frying the replacments if the screen is bad. No cracks but I didn't think to look close for burn marks. I will have to look before I order. Thanks for the tip

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                                    • ryan74
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                                      #19
                                      Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                                      this is what i found. thanks for the tip.
                                      Attached Files
                                      Last edited by ryan74; 11-19-2012, 08:32 PM.

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                                      • tom66
                                        EVs Rule
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 32560
                                        • UK

                                        #20
                                        Re: How likely is a cracked panel to short out boards?

                                        Looks like dirt to me...
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