Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

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  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
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    #41
    Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

    So with the bridge rectifier removed, the short is no loger there then on the output side of the rectifier.
    And if you measure the two pad where the rectifier AC (~) INPUTS are, do you get short circuit?
    Last edited by budm; 10-09-2012, 08:54 AM.
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    • Worminizer
      Telephone Guy
      • Aug 2012
      • 51
      • United States

      #42
      Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

      The short goes away on the non feed side after the bridge rectifier is pulled. It remains, until the inductor is pulled. After that its all ok, so there are at least two troubles in components.

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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
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        #43
        Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

        Burnt out line filter is really rare, it must have had a lot of current flowing through them, I would expect the fuse to blow before they shorted out like that, the filter can be removed and bypassed for testing other function of the board.
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        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
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        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

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        TV Factory reset codes listing:
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        • Worminizer
          Telephone Guy
          • Aug 2012
          • 51
          • United States

          #44
          Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

          oh, good, I'll get a new rectifier and see if I can get it back to life then. I have a few power supplies laying around. I will see if there are any rectifiers I can scavenge.

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          • Worminizer
            Telephone Guy
            • Aug 2012
            • 51
            • United States

            #45
            Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

            by the way, I took a good portion of the shock myself. I'm pretty used to getting hit at work by leaning my arm against an array of T-1's, Ringing generators, and power feeds, Stupid I know, but its a good reminder to be careful, because there are more hazardous voltages than just 120vac in a tv set.

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            • budm
              Badcaps Legend
              • Feb 2010
              • 40746
              • USA

              #46
              Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

              I would plug the TV into a GFI outlets for safety and also use an Isolation transformer as well.
              http://s807.photobucket.com/albums/y...t=DSC00073.jpg
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              • Worminizer
                Telephone Guy
                • Aug 2012
                • 51
                • United States

                #47
                Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                I will be doing just that.

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                • Worminizer
                  Telephone Guy
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 51
                  • United States

                  #48
                  Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                  Could you help me distinguish which bridge rectifier I should order from digikey? I have looked, and there are over 2000 to choose from. I am just not that familiar with the devices to know the difference. Here is the datasheet, it is an 8k.
                  http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe.../US8KB80R.html

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #49
                    Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                    It is 800V 8AMPS D6K package.
                    You can get it from here:
                    http://www.bdent.com/US8KB80R-7000-p/us8kb80r-7000.htm
                    I did not find the same D6K package style at DIGIKEY.

                    Or the higher current rating one with the same case size:
                    http://www.bdent.com/US15KB80R-7000-...kb80r-7000.htm
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • Worminizer
                      Telephone Guy
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 51
                      • United States

                      #50
                      Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                      thanks bud

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                      • Worminizer
                        Telephone Guy
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 51
                        • United States

                        #51
                        Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                        Ok, I got my bridge rectifiers in, I threw one in, and remade my own inductor. I re-wrapped the magnet with new wire, and actually made it new again. Everything is back to where I was before I oopsed. I also changed out both of those capacitors with new low esr ones, though neither one tested faulty with either a capacitance tester on the fluke, or the esr meter. I still get 0v on the 5v rail. What would I check/replace next? Should I order a new controller IC?

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                        • Worminizer
                          Telephone Guy
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 51
                          • United States

                          #52
                          Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                          Ok, I reread the whole thread, since its been a while, and I looked at what retiredcaps had said,
                          2) A fluctuating voltage suggests one of the following

                          a) the startup cap, c213, is bad (the small ones rarely bloat)
                          b) the SMPS IC is bad
                          c) there is something shorted on the secondary output side (like a diode)

                          3) The SMPS IC needs stable DC voltage in order to work properly.

                          I began looking at the diodes on the board, and found one that isn't shorted, but it's wide open, and visibly has a chunk blown out of it. I will attach a photo. I can still see from what is left that it is an A2 in location D207. I will try to salvage one from something else and see if it fixes my problem. I'm not sure what the value is though...
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                          Last edited by Worminizer; 10-17-2012, 04:25 PM.

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                          • retiredcaps
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 9271

                            #53
                            Re: Vizio VW37L HDTV20A Power supply No Standby Voltage

                            Originally posted by Worminizer
                            I can still see from what is left that it is an A2 in location D207.
                            I don't have any experience in deciphering these smd 2 letter codes, but this

                            http://www.s-manuals.com/smd/a2

                            leads to



                            which leads to my guess as it being UDZS 5.1B A2.
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