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    After 13 months of ownership (just past the warranty expiration) my LG Plasma TV developed a serious problem. These include picture degradation, shutting down at random, screen lines, color degradation and others. We systematically applied solutions such as switching cable locations, using different cables, trying a variety of power supplies (basic strips to battery backup) and nothing seemed to help. We observed the TV in different modes and kept having the same problems whether we were using the Set Top Box (cable), the DVD player or the gaming system. One observation stuck out form the rest – the problem did not occur when we were watching a black and white movie. But as soon as the film ended and we switched to a color movie, the screen popped and went blank.

    I started researching the issue on-line (thank you Google!) and after some trial and error with search terms eventually discovered other plasma television owners with similar problems – some have been kind enough to post pictures and videos that allow me to see the same problems as my plasma TV. Further investigation revealed that a common culprit appears to be the Y and Z Sustain Boards. These circuit boards are akin to the vertical and horizontal deflection circuits of older televisions and are at the heart of creating a picture on the screen.

    Unfortunately, the Y and Z Sustain Boards (more simply called the YSUS and the ZSUS) are a serious weak point in ALL plasma televisions. Do a Google search for problems with plasma televisions or problems with these boards and your search results will light up with hits! Information about problems with these components span years of plasma manufacturing and cover a wide variety of brand names. The worst offender seems to be LG – especially since they manufacture these boards as components for many other brands and have been doing so for many years.

    Doubly unfortunate is that this problem seems to be rampant in the plasma television industry yet no one seems to know about it. It does not seem to be a safety issue (no fire hazard, etc.) so the Consumer Product Safety Commission has no information on it. It is a standard component of a larger item with no particular brand involved, so the Better Business Bureau has no record on it. And the issue is spread out and technical enough that the average consumer seems to be unaware that it is such a major issue. How many plasma TV owners have to have this problem before it becomes general consumer knowledge?

    In other words – this is a KNOWN ISSUE with plasma televisions yet it has somehow fallen through the cracks of consumer knowledge and the plasma manufacturing industry is certainly not bringing it to anyone's attention.

    A call to LG customer support was less than helpful. The customer service representative on the other end of the line had no information on this issue (even though it is quite common). I knew more about the inner workings of my television than he did. The LG warranty does cover the “Panel” for a two year period – and these components would appear to be core to the “Panel” – but the service rep I spoke with could not provide me a definition of what is included as part of the “Panel”.

    To put this in perspective, my family once owned a Sony Trinitron for nearly 20 years before it was replaced and our former primary television (still in service) is a nearly decade old Sharp CRT unit. Neither of these units developed the problem this LG Plasma is having and neither ever needed the sort of repairs (both dollar and labor wise) that this plasma unit needs. When I spend the kind of money necessary to purchase a product such as a television, I expect to get more than 13 months of service out of it. I intend to get this unit repaired or replaced and I do not intend to be the one paying for it!

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    Re: Sustain Boards Known Problems

    If you shun the brand completely and only purchase Japanese - not Korean - television products, your chances of getting inherently defective products decreases. Sharp and Sony are exceptions because they no longer produce their stuff in Japan.

    But Panasonic Plasmas are probably a LOT safer than LG or Samsung. Also the new 3D Plasmas have higher quality parts I have heard.
    "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

    -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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      #3
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      Originally posted by bostondann View Post
      After 13 months of ownership (just past the warranty expiration) my LG Plasma TV developed a serious problem.
      <SNIP>
      And your point is?

      PlainBill
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        I think an LED Backlit TV would probably be the most reliable of the new technology.

        No crappy CCFLs to burn out, the panel should last as long as it's good quality, and the only real problem then may be capacitors which can be easily fixed.
        "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous"
        -David VanHorn

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          Originally posted by Agent24 View Post
          I think an LED Backlit TV would probably be the most reliable of the new technology.

          No crappy CCFLs to burn out, the panel should last as long as it's good quality, and the only real problem then may be capacitors which can be easily fixed.
          You are overly optimistic. LEDs age and the color balance will change. LEDs will also fail, and I don't look forward to trying to match the replacement to the original.

          Above all, many manufacturers are trying to produce ultra thin LED backlit TVs. This will inevitably result in heat dissipation problems.

          Even in the (unlikely) event that someone produces a high reliability TV and backs it with a 5 year warranty I can safely predict several events.

          1. Some self proclaimed video expert will proclaim that the colors aren't true, or the light isn't natural.

          2. At least one of the sets will fail within a week after the warranty expires and the owner will complain bitterly that the manufacturer should fix it under warranty.

          3. Another one of the sets will fail 5 years after the warranty expires and THAT owner will also complain bitterly. What's more, he will recite the reliability of his Great Grandparents' Stromberg Carlson TV that worked perfectly for 20 years.

          PlainBill
          For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

          Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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            Some self proclaimed video expert will proclaim that the colors aren't true, or the light isn't natural.
            You can get a suitable kelvin rating from LEDs to give an acceptable color spectrum. It's not as good as fluorescent, but good enough. For 90% of people it will be sufficient.

            It is a myth though that LED panels consume less energy than CCFL. Last time I checked, they consume the same, if not more.

            In one aspect, however, they are superior. They now have grid-lit LED lighting for panels as opposed to edge lit. The even lighting should more than make up for the slightly inferior color spectrum.

            Regarding failing sets, I'll reiterate, stay away from Korean products.
            "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

            -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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              Re: Sustain Boards Known Problems

              Originally posted by PlainBill View Post
              You are overly optimistic. LEDs age and the color balance will change. LEDs will also fail, and I don't look forward to trying to match the replacement to the original.

              Above all, many manufacturers are trying to produce ultra thin LED backlit TVs. This will inevitably result in heat dissipation problems.
              Oh well, good thing I've still got my CRT.

              It needs a bit of a touch up though. Probably clean out the dust and I bet there are a few dry joints (and electrolytics) too.

              I had to replace the tripler a year or so ago. THAT will give you an idea of how old it is!
              "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous"
              -David VanHorn

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                Something has been rattling around in my head about the original post, clamoring for attention. Then it hit me in the wee small hours of the morning when I couldn't sleep. The first post was rather unusual. It's a far cry from the usual post, asking for help. It's smooth, polished, and almost professionally written. And that triggered some memories, and raises some questions.

                First of all, why is the post here? With all due respect to Topcat, this isn't on the beaten path. When I was having problems with a Gateway monitor it took a lot of diligent searching to find a link. While there IS a lot of information on motherboard and monitor repair, the TV section is much less active.

                That led to the next question - Who is Bostondann? Thanks to Google, I found this link. Now it became a little clearer, and further searches showed the identical post on AVSforum.

                Now, I'm not going to claim that LG plasma TVs are top of the line, ultra reliable TVs. Certainly they have a history of problems with the sustain boards. And I can understand being disappointed when something fails shortly after the warranty expires. But this approach certainly cannot be considered taking the high road.

                Of course, it could be even lower that that. A few months ago a local columnist reported on an old phenomena that has taken new life via the internet. Paid 'testimonials'. Some companies will pay for posts pushing a particular idea. So now the question is - Is Bostondann a disappointed consumer, a common spammer, or someone trying to make beer money by pushing an agenda?

                PlainBill
                For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

                Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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                  Hmmm. All I read into it was someone concerned with (newly discovered to him) common frequent failures of plasma modules. But I haven't had much coffee yet...

                  My completely unexpert speculative take on the issue, is that designers and marketing guys want thinner prettier units (applies to monitor and iMacs as well) which makes for hotter, less reliable devices. Consumers are eating it up, and with our throw-away, upgrade every 2 years society, it becomes somewhat acceptable, and no-one is calling them (manufacturers) on it.
                  36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

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                    Originally posted by smason View Post
                    Hmmm. All I read into it was someone concerned with (newly discovered to him) common frequent failures of plasma modules. But I haven't had much coffee yet...

                    My completely unexpert speculative take on the issue, is that designers and marketing guys want thinner prettier units (applies to monitor and iMacs as well) which makes for hotter, less reliable devices. Consumers are eating it up, and with our throw-away, upgrade every 2 years society, it becomes somewhat acceptable, and no-one is calling them (manufacturers) on it.
                    Ordinarily I would tend to agree with you. However, when this 'person' has posted 8 identical responses to different threads on another repair forum he appears to have an agenda other than just informing the public.

                    PlainBill
                    For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

                    Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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