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    Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

    Hi everyone, I've been troubleshooting my 20" Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) CRT after it failed to show a picture. The standby LED is blinking 4 times, which according to the service manual is a failed vertical deflection via the self-diagnostic check during power up.

    After getting the TV checked out by a technician and doing research on my own. The most obvious first step was to replace the IC502. I've done so with an exact NOS replacement with no luck. I've read a few suggestions to make sure the 12V supply to pin 2, but that voltage check would seem misleading? It seems if the self diagnostic fails, the IC502 will get a supply voltage? I checked anyway and the multimeter reads no voltage.

    Throughout this process, I've been looking at the TV's schematics (attached the service manual) to try and better understand where the failure could be coming from, but with my limited understanding of circuit boards, it's incredibly difficult to follow; especially when the current splits in different directions. Near the IC502, I've spot checked a few of the diodes and resistors, to make sure they are reading per spec, but I've exhausted my skills and understanding of the issue.

    If someone is willing to take a look at the schematics and guide me through troubleshooting the vertical circuit, or suggest a fresh starting point, it would be hugely appreciated! Hopefully this troubleshooting process and resolution will be helpful to others, and I can keep this TV alive.
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    Last edited by motorahead; 10-21-2023, 03:53 PM.

    #2
    Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

    You likely have an open R550 or R549 (0.47Ω) If the ic shorts, the two resistors can go open.
    Last edited by R_J; 10-21-2023, 04:05 PM.

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      #3
      Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

      Wow, how did you nail that so quickly?!

      I checked and they are both open. The reading was first a little confusing so I checked R544 and it reads exactly 047.0; while both R550 and R549 read 001.0 (and the multimeter beeps). Not sure why the decimal is off, maybe a range setting on the multimeter?

      I'll order a couple, solder them, and update this thread.

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        #4
        Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

        Originally posted by motorahead View Post
        Wow, how did you nail that so quickly?!

        I checked and they are both open. The reading was first a little confusing so I checked R544 and it reads exactly 047.0; while both R550 and R549 read 001.0 (and the multimeter beeps). Not sure why the decimal is off, maybe a range setting on the multimeter?

        I'll order a couple, solder them, and update this thread.
        you need to address the meter readings first . first thing it would be unusual for a resistor to measure exact value . but decimal place moved .. 47 ohms instead of 0.47 . i wouldn't even expect dead on 0.47 . your other reading says 1 ohm so that one might be a bit high or its meter error .. first set your meter to lowest ohms setting maybe 200 ohms then touch the probes together then pull out suspect resistors and check values again then deduct whatever it measured touching probes together .

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          #5
          Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

          Thanks for the reminder about touching the probes, I recall watching a video a while back and forgot about this.

          I followed your guidance and tested resistance with three multimeters (out of curiosity), but did not remove the resistors yet, but it does seem clear R549 / R550 are bad?

          Not sure why the decimals are showing like this.

          Klein CL390 (400 ohm)
          R544 - 046.7
          R549 / R550 - 000.4

          Innova 3340a (400 ohm)
          Did not record these numbers, but they were within a tenth.

          Allsun EM30 (200 ohm)
          Not a quality multimeter relative to the other two I have, but the reading seems to be within spec (5%)
          R544 - 45.9
          R549 / R550 - 000.5
          Last edited by motorahead; 10-21-2023, 11:46 PM.

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            #6
            Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

            R544 - 046.7 appears to be the bad one

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              #7
              Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

              Sorry for confusing things. I was reading the meter incorrectly based on a misunderstanding of R544.

              R544 1-260-312-11 CARBON 47 5% 1/2W
              R549 / R550 1-260-288-11 CARBON 0.47 5% 1/2W

              So as it turns out, all three are good...

              I'll be more careful moving forward. Next steps would be appreciated.

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                #8
                Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                Re check your voltages on IC501, you need +12v on pin2 and -15v on pin 4 Or it might be easier to check the voltages on the plug CN706, pins 1 (+12v) pin2 (-15v)
                R544 is for the +200v supply to the crt neck board
                Last edited by R_J; 10-22-2023, 02:27 PM.

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                  #9
                  Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                  Thanks, I'll check. Should the voltages still be present while the standby light is throwing the error code?

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                    #10
                    Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                    Plugged in the TV and checked the IC501as well as CN502 and CN706. I also re-tested IC502. No voltages.

                    Double checked the pins in the service manual and they are a little different than what you provided on IC501 (see attached). So I tested both ways.
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                      #11
                      Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                      I made a mistake, I meant IC502, the vertical output ic. Do you know if you have any high voltage to the crt?

                      Check if you have B+ on C654, should be around 130vdc
                      The +12 & -15 are supplied by T505 FBT

                      Check D504 and D505 to see if one is shorted
                      Last edited by R_J; 10-22-2023, 05:39 PM.

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                        #12
                        Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                        Thanks for being patient, I'm learning on the fly here and am a little embarrassed to admit my voltage checks have been incorrect. Sorry for steering you down the wrong path, but I am getting supply voltage at the IC502.

                        I was powering on the TV, which then powers off after 5 seconds (after the failed self check).So I was unknowingly checking for voltage when it was off...

                        Now I'm holding the probe at a contact with one hand, while powering on the unit with the other hand to get a reading. The negative lead is resting on the video input ground.


                        IC502 reading doesn't fully stabilize in time before the unit powers off.
                        Pin2: ~13.9v
                        Pin4: ~ -13.7v

                        CN502 / CN706
                        Pin1: ~13.9v
                        Pin2 ~ -13.7v

                        B+ on the C654: 136v

                        I'll test D504 and D505 in the morning.
                        Last edited by motorahead; 10-23-2023, 12:07 AM.

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                          #13
                          Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                          Curious, I was tracing CN706 and am getting 1.4 ohm via R718 on the CB board. Is that correct? It seems out of spec unless resistance is split between R718 and R717 (no resistor here, but they look joined with solder)?

                          Per spec:
                          R718 1-216-375-00 METAL OXIDE 3.3 5% 2W

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                            #14
                            Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                            R718 is in the crt heater supply line, don't worry about it. You are measuring the crt heater resistance as well as the fbt heater winding which have one end connected to ground.

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                              #15
                              Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                              Understood, thanks. I checked the D504 and D505.

                              Used this article for reference on testing diodes: https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/bl...to-test-diodes

                              D504
                              Diode Test Setting
                              forward .468v
                              reverse 2.99 v

                              Resistance Test Setting
                              forward 1.41ohm
                              reverse 2.32ohm


                              D505
                              Diode Test Setting
                              forward .487v
                              reverse 2.98v

                              Resistance Test Setting
                              forward 1.45 ohm
                              reverse 2.27 ohm

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                                #16
                                Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                                If your getting those readings out of circuit/best way to test, you have bad diode.
                                Last edited by nomoresonys; 10-24-2023, 03:44 AM.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                                  I did not remove the diodes. Hopefully I tested them correctly. Forward bias was checked with the positive lead to the anode, negative to the cathode. Should I remove them to verify? Testing in reverse should read 0v?

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                                    Better let RJ guide you, I haven't touched one of these in prolly 12 years, unfortunately I don't remember anything about them.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                                      Your feedback is certainly appreciated! And thank you RJ for sticking with me so far!

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Sony Trinitron (KV-20FV12) Vertical Deflection Stopped

                                        The diodes are likely good, I remember if one would short it could shut down the tv, Sometimes IC702 (on cb board) can shut down the tv as well, Check if the 200v comes up on CN706 pin 6, If it seems low, disconnect CN706 from the cb board and see if the tv stays on. I have'nt worked on one of these in quite a few years.
                                        The tv checks if the +12v is missing and gives the 4 blink error, but if the high voltage shuts down, there will be no 12v so the tv can give 4 blinks unrelated to the vertical ic.

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