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  • JOHNBOY
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 78

    #61
    Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

    So are saying I shouldn't get these.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/PANASONIC-6-3V-2...-/400084973893

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    • retiredcaps
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2010
      • 9271

      #62
      Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

      Some sellers on ebay (like all things) are selling fake goods including caps.

      I'm not saying these particular ones are fake, but unless you know exactly vent and bung look like, you could be getting fakes. Even then, you could be getting a really well made fake.

      Most here will tell you to go to mouser or digikey to get the genuine goods.

      Originally posted by JOHNBOY
      So are saying I shouldn't get these.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/PANASONIC-6-3V-2...-/400084973893
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      • JOHNBOY
        Senior Member
        • May 2010
        • 78

        #63
        Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

        god damn chinese people

        I should have known, I bought a 1gb flash card from hong kong that was 32mb in size.

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        • retiredcaps
          Badcaps Legend
          • Apr 2010
          • 9271

          #64
          Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

          Careful what you say and who you offend here. Fraud/theft isn't contained to one group or race of people.

          Originally posted by JOHNBOY
          god damn chinese people
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          • smason
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 1652
            • Canada

            #65
            Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

            Originally posted by retiredcaps
            Digikey and Mouser both have "Canadian" websites as prices show up in Canadian dollars. So I'm assuming that parts actually come from Canada and are not subject to customs tax.

            So that can't justify the almost $6 difference in s/h.
            In the case of Digikey, the Canadian web site still ships from MN. I suspect they just don't do enough Canadian business to support having a warehouse here.
            They ship UPS overnight, all fees paid for $8.00 flat rate. The only RELIABLE way to get something into Canada in less than a week, is to use a service that also acts as a Customs Broker. Otherwise, it'll sit in Canada Customs until they clear it, usually a week.
            A lot of that $8.00 pays for customs brokerage.
            They could ship UPS Standard, but trust me, the brokerage fee alone would be more than $8.00
            36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

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            • retiredcaps
              Badcaps Legend
              • Apr 2010
              • 9271

              #66
              Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

              Thanks for the tidbit. I looked at their "Canadian" website and couldn't find out how/where they originate their orders from.

              Originally posted by smason
              In the case of Digikey, the Canadian web site still ships from MN.
              They ship UPS overnight, all fees paid for $8.00 flat rate. The only RELIABLE way to get something into Canada in less than a week, is to use a service that also acts as a Customs Broker.
              A lot of that $8.00 pays for customs brokerage.
              They could ship UPS Standard, but trust me, the brokerage fee alone would be more than $8.00
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              • JOHNBOY
                Senior Member
                • May 2010
                • 78

                #67
                Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                There is no brokerage under $20

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                • JOHNBOY
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 78

                  #68
                  Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                  Some good news at least. I re used the forbidden caps on a totally different power supply and got it working. It was the 47uf and 0.47uf on the G4 quicksilver with a start problem.

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                  • ratdude747
                    Black Sheep
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 17136
                    • USA

                    #69
                    Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                    Originally posted by JOHNBOY
                    Some good news at least. I re used the forbidden caps on a totally different power supply and got it working. It was the 47uf and 0.47uf on the G4 quicksilver with a start problem.
                    bad news:

                    that will not last... get good ones for it while you are at it... or else you might have a problem worse then a bad psu. try a fried board... idk if they used a two transistor 5vsb circuit on there or not, if they did, and the cap driving it goes poof, then the board gets 12v of hell sent to a spot rated for 5v, and then you have a FUBAR board... dead chipset and fried other parts.
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                    • JOHNBOY
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 78

                      #70
                      Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                      The quicksilver is an old system. I don't care if it blows up. I replaced two 0.47 and one 47. I wouldn't have even changed the big ones if they were bulging and leaking brown stuff. I just wanted to see if I could get it going and do something useful with the bad caps.

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                      • JOHNBOY
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 78

                        #71
                        Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                        UPDATE

                        The repair has been a glorious success. I went back to some of my local stores and got rubycon and samxon caps and another one with gold labels which looks good and called ultra low esr.. I replaced the 2200 16v and the 3300 10v as well as a couple of 0.47 and 47 and the PS turned on. I will still do the rest when my caps arrive from ordering but this is working for now.

                        Thanks to toasty who seems to know everything.

                        After I burn this in for a couple of hours I will try my luck at the scamsung version.

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                        • Toasty
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 4171

                          #72
                          Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                          Glad you got it running.

                          >>Thanks to toasty who seems to know everything. <<
                          Whoa there! Thank you, but I don't want the ego trip. There are *MANY* others here with far greater knowledge than I. I just have a lot of hands-on with these units. (More than I care to admit, some days.)

                          Please be sure to start a new thread for the Samsung.

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                          • Khron
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 1350
                            • Finland

                            #73
                            Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                            Ummm...

                            >>another one with gold labels which looks good and called ultra low esr<<

                            Why did i get chills when i read that?
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                            • ratdude747
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                              • Nov 2008
                              • 17136
                              • USA

                              #74
                              Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                              Originally posted by Khron666
                              Ummm...

                              >>another one with gold labels which looks good and called ultra low esr<<

                              Why did i get chills when i read that?
                              because, like i said earlier, the good ones do not say "low esr" or "ultra low esr"... nor do they come in such a colored sleeve... johnboy hos bought crap again... and the rubycons and samxons might not be low esr... i wonder whar series they were...
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                              • JOHNBOY
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 78

                                #75
                                Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                The 'forever' brand caps are working fine... Going strong :\

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                                • JOHNBOY
                                  Senior Member
                                  • May 2010
                                  • 78

                                  #76
                                  Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                  I got my cap tester from ebay. Yeah I know don't even say it. It actually works half decent for a home user like me. The reason I'm mentioning this is because I had a chance to test all the bad caps I pulled from these and the results were amazing. Almost all caps were good and almost all TEAPOS were bad.

                                  Everything was testing withing 2-30uf which is normal for this $29 unit. But the teapos were nearly all dead. The 220 caps were testing around 100 and the 2000+ was testing at 400-500uf. I didn't do a second test for over UF but at least half have been thrown out for being way under.

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                                  • Toasty
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Jul 2007
                                    • 4171

                                    #77
                                    Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                    Capacitance is only a part of the picture. ESR is the part that determines the suitability of these caps to do their jobs, especially in these SMPS's. Caps that read good in capacitance, may be failed in ESR.
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                                    • ratdude747
                                      Black Sheep
                                      • Nov 2008
                                      • 17136
                                      • USA

                                      #78
                                      Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                      i was going to say, $30 for an esr meter would be the bargain of the year (aside from the extinct dick smith meters)... esr matters more in this case... like testing how well an engine runs based solely on RPM w/o checking the emissions...
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                                      • retiredcaps
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                                        • Apr 2010
                                        • 9271

                                        #79
                                        Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                        Pics? Link? I'm curious because if the price is low and if it does ESR testing, I may spring for one.

                                        Originally posted by JOHNBOY
                                        I got my cap tester from ebay.
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                                        • JOHNBOY
                                          Senior Member
                                          • May 2010
                                          • 78

                                          #80
                                          Re: Stumped this weird G4 power supply problem

                                          No it doesn't do ESR. I plan to get one of those in the future but I'm just starting out with this one. It takes a basic reading and can confirm which ones are bad. I know this isn't a bullet proof system but I wasn't going to spring $75-$200 on the ESR meters just to fix a couple of power supplies. This was actually $29 with shipping included and does up to 20mf.

                                          By the way what is considered a bad cap. more than %5 +/- of its value ?

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