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  • bw1
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 172

    #1

    Here's one for y'all....

    Ever work on a stoplight?

    I've got an LED module from a stoplight (was working fine when I first acquired it, now the green module has issues) that has a "delayed-on" condition. Instead of the usual instant on, as it used to be and as the red/yellow modules are, it takes around 2 seconds for the LEDs to light right now. They come on instantly, at full brightness, but almost exactly 2 seconds after power was applied.

    I haven't done a lot with it, as I'm not the best at power supply troubleshooting, but I did measure the DC voltage between Vcc/Gnd for the MC33262P chip and it seemed to explain a bit what was going on -- voltage rose slowly from 0 to 15.7 volts (took around 3-4 seconds) but the second it hits 12-13v, the LEDs light up instantly.

    I see the MC33262P has an undervoltage lockout feature in it (lower threshold is 8V, upper threshold 13V), but I don't know exactly what that means / if that means simply that output is disabled until Vcc reaches 13V? That would seem to match the symptoms.

    Regardless, I would like to figure out why the voltage is rising slowly instead of instantly like I believe it should be.

    ALSO, I should mention, there were/are two resistors (I'll mark them in the pictures) that are disconnected on one side, but they are in spec (not burnt or blown). I don't see how they would get disconnected/broken on their own, and the wire on those two looks completely fine otherwise. Is there any chance that they were cut on purpose during manufacturing? My only thought was the same board was used for different purposes or something, otherwise I would replace the resistors obviously.

    Lastly, there are some signs of moisture that you'll see in the picture. This obviously may have been a cause of the problem. There are areas of rust by some of the resistors, etc., but the connections on others (besides the two pointed out) appear fine and the resistors I've tested so far look to be in spec.
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  • jsog
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2011
    • 220

    #2
    Re: Here's one for y'all....

    Electrolytic capacitors are always suspect. The capacitor above R17 with the white marks on the board might have some problems, a prime suspect to test or replace. R37 looks burnt on one end.

    The residue on the back of the board ought to be cleaned off. Water residue isn't usually conductive, but dissolved sediment can be an insulator. Might be a problem if it got into the pot.

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    • bw1
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 172

      #3
      Re: Here's one for y'all....

      R37 is one of the few that I did measure (while on the board) and it checked out as far as resistance is concerned. The cap above R17 looks OK visually (all do, actually) and is only 1uf/50v, so I wouldn't suspect it otherwise. I'm not sure why it has all the glue residue all around it, but besides that looks OK.

      Any idea what that potentiometer is for?

      And again, the main problem/question I've got is why it needs 3-4 seconds to build-up to full voltage; Once it's there, it hangs right around 15.6-15.7V pretty stable.

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      • digge
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Apr 2006
        • 296

        #4
        Re: Here's one for y'all....

        Those small 1uF 50V caps are usually used as a "startup cap". In other appliances they usually make the psu constantly turn on/off when broken. But that might actually be your problem in this case?

        Just a guess on my part though, as i didnt look to closely on the board.

        Maybe borrow that cap from some other light thats working to verify.

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