Samxons Vs Mix of NCCs and Ltecs

[TheLaw]

Well...if you read my last post, I'm trying to get some parts together for a budget oriented computer that I will hopefully be selling. Thanks in advance.

We are down to two PSUs and I was wondering which one should theoretically be better quality.

We have a Corsair CX430 which uses 100% Samxons.

We also have a Antec EA380D which uses a Samxon on the primary side, plus a mixture of Nippon Chemi-Cons and Ltecs.

I know Ltecs stink generally. But would the Chemi-Cons kind of make up for it? :p.

It's a hard decision to make. They are priced really closely and I really don't know which one would be better off.

Thanks again.

[goodpsusearch]

Re: Samxons Vs Mix of NCCs and Ltecs

Corsair CX430

[yyonline]

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It's a hard decision to make. They are priced really closely and I really don't know which one would be better off.

The CX430 is a CWT design. EA380D is Delta. I believe that Delta is more highly regarded in the design department. EA380D has a sleeve bearing fan, so that's a minus. The Corsair has a ball bearing fan, which is better.

What series Samxon is in the Corsair? I see a lot of Samxon GF in power supplies, and GF is not a very reliable series. Purely from a capacitor standpoint, I'd pick the Samxon if they're not GF.

Ltec certainly isn't *that* bad in a power supply. I have 10+ year old Delta PSUs full of Ltec caps still going strong. I'd say Ltec is a bit more reliable than Capxon. Probably on-par with Teapo or OST. I've seen bad Ltec on motherboards, but not in a PSU. If you're buying new, spend the extra $15 on a *retail box* Seasonic...100% NCC/Rubycon

[Slakky]

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The Corsair has a ball bearing fan, which is better.

No, it's a sleeve, though there have been many typos to the contrary. Antec at least mounts their sleeve fan properly, but it doesn't really matter if you're comfortable opening the box.

If you're buying new, spend the extra $15 on a *retail box* Seasonic...100% NCC/Rubycon

This.

[TheLaw]

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No, it's a sleeve, though there have been many typos to the contrary. Antec at least mounts their sleeve fan properly, but it doesn't really matter if you're comfortable opening the box.


This.

What does the retail box do? I've seen OEMs with OSTs and such. Is that what you are talking about?

[TheLaw]

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The CX430 is a CWT design. EA380D is Delta. I believe that Delta is more highly regarded in the design department. EA380D has a sleeve bearing fan, so that's a minus. The Corsair has a ball bearing fan, which is better.

What series Samxon is in the Corsair? I see a lot of Samxon GF in power supplies, and GF is not a very reliable series. Purely from a capacitor standpoint, I'd pick the Samxon if they're not GF.

Ltec certainly isn't *that* bad in a power supply. I have 10+ year old Delta PSUs full of Ltec caps still going strong. I'd say Ltec is a bit more reliable than Capxon. Probably on-par with Teapo or OST. I've seen bad Ltec on motherboards, but not in a PSU. If you're buying new, spend the extra $15 on a *retail box* Seasonic...100% NCC/Rubycon

The Samxon PFC cap on the Corsair is a LP. I believe the PFC cap on the Antec is also an LP, but I can't verify that.

[brethin]

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Well...if you read my last post, I'm trying to get some parts together for a budget oriented computer that I will hopefully be selling. Thanks in advance.

We are down to two PSUs and I was wondering which one should theoretically be better quality.

We have a Corsair CX430 which uses 100% Samxons.

We also have a Antec EA380D which uses a Samxon on the primary side, plus a mixture of Nippon Chemi-Cons and Ltecs.

I know Ltecs stink generally. But would the Chemi-Cons kind of make up for it? :p.

It's a hard decision to make. They are priced really closely and I really don't know which one would be better off.

Thanks again.

Hard to say without knowing what the other parts are your building it with but I would use the Antec unless your load is more than 380W then I would use the Corsair.

[PCBONEZ]

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Ltec certainly isn't *that* bad in a power supply. I have 10+ year old Delta PSUs full of Ltec caps still going strong. I'd say Ltec is a bit more reliable than Capxon. Probably on-par with Teapo or OST. I've seen bad Ltec on motherboards, but not in a PSU.

Not me.
OST's suck in PSU's.
I've seen bad LTEC in PSUs on numerous occasions.
That said, the % of LTEC that are bad in PSU's is small except in late 1990's & early 2000's PSU's where every flippin one can be blown.

LTEC seems to have gotten better in PSU's after they stole that ZL electrolyte formula from Rubycon in 2001.
LTEC was where that Rubycon scientist 'defected' to, so they had the -complete- formula unlike all their competition.
I wonder if they 'arranged' to have their competition get the incomplete formula??

To Me:
Capxon=OST and Teapo=LTEC in PSUs.
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[brethin]

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Not me.
OST's suck in PSU's.
I've seen bad LTEC in PSUs on numerous occasions.
That said, the % of LTEC that are bad in PSU's is small except in late 1990's & early 2000's PSU's where every flippin one can be blown.

LTEC seems to have gotten better in PSU's after they stole that ZL electrolyte formula from Rubycon in 2001.
LTEC was where that Rubycon scientist 'defected' to, so they had the -complete- formula unlike all their competition.
I wonder if they 'arranged' to have their competition get the incomplete formula??

To Me:
Capxon=OST and Teapo=LTEC in PSUs.
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Ok with all that rambling about the caps maybe make a bit more clear for the OP's question, which PSU would you use?

[mockingbird]

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I would take neither the Corsair nor the Antec. Spend a few more dollars and go for a Corsair "VX" series.

[PCBONEZ]

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Ok with all that rambling about the caps maybe make a bit more clear for the OP's question, which PSU would you use?

No.

[TheLaw]

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No.

LOL.


Alright, taking your advice. I think we will go with the Antec. I wish I knew the capacitance of the PFC capacitor on the Antec.

[TheLaw]

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I would take neither the Corsair nor the Antec. Spend a few more dollars and go for a Corsair "VX" series.

I would go for something much better than both of these...but unfortunately, we need to produce AND sell these for super cheap. Or cheap enough. VX series isn't really available anyway. It's a 4+ year old supply and I don't think they are in production any more.

[PCBONEZ]

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

[PCBONEZ]

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I would use the Earthwatts though.
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[TheLaw]

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

Hmm...I'm surprised they are still being sold.

But for what we are running, we could easily get away with 250W, so I think we'll lean towards the Earthwatts.

[yyonline]

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What does the retail box do? I've seen OEMs with OSTs and such. Is that what you are talking about?

Retail box Seasonic PSUs use higher quality components than their OEM PSUs.

I'd spend the extra $15 and get the retail Seasonic or Corsair VX series, which is Seasonic designed and built. Either of those will have Japanese capacitors.

If for some reason that's not an option, personally I'd go for the Delta designed Antec over the CWT designed Corsair. You might want to check on the price of the EA430D as well. Newegg had them cheaper than the 380... I'll often put the Earthwatts in older Dells. They need the rear 80mm fan due to the CPU shroud design...so a PSU with a 120mm fan won't work in those. So far, I haven't had any of the Earthwatts come back, but it's a bit early to guess long-term reliability.

I'll have an EA380D in the shop next week... Customer is bringing the tower back in due to malware issues. I can check the internals then if you want to wait that long.

[TheLaw]

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Retail box Seasonic PSUs use higher quality components than their OEM PSUs.

I'd spend the extra $15 and get the retail Seasonic or Corsair VX series, which is Seasonic designed and built. Either of those will have Japanese capacitors.

If for some reason that's not an option, personally I'd go for the Delta designed Antec over the CWT designed Corsair. You might want to check on the price of the EA430D as well. Newegg had them cheaper than the 380... I'll often put the Earthwatts in older Dells. They need the rear 80mm fan due to the CPU shroud design...so a PSU with a 120mm fan won't work in those. So far, I haven't had any of the Earthwatts come back, but it's a bit early to guess long-term reliability.

I'll have an EA380D in the shop next week... Customer is bringing the tower back in due to malware issues. I can check the internals then if you want to wait that long.

Well, if you want to. But only if you feel up to it. I'd like to see the capacitance on the primary PFC cap and the general quality of the other caps. What series from Ltec and NCC.

But only if you have the time.

Thanks.

[TheLaw]

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Also,

Like what kind of component selection is different between OEM Seasonic and retail?

How much difference is there?

Is a OEM Seasonic still better than say a Retail Earthwatts over here? Kind of vague...but I'd like to hear your opinion.

Thanks.