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  • ratdude747
    Black Sheep
    • Nov 2008
    • 17136
    • USA
    #1

    new/ used psu suggestions

    I am thinking of upgrading the PSU in my main rig.

    Since I might go to sata opticals in addition to the sata hard drives i want to avoid the dorky molex to sata adapters, I want somehting with 4x or more sata plugs

    what I have now is a recapped and de-spliced ultra V 550w. I was going to go for an acbel 550w from hypermicro but again, only 2 sata plugs. my specs are:

    mobo: intel dp35dp
    cpu- PDC 1.8ghz (may someday upgrade to a C2Q)
    graphics- 256mb nvidia geforce 7600GT (may upgrade and need the PCIe connection)
    no OC (my case is not the kind designed for that kind of cooling)

    bling is no concern. Quality is what i want.

    I do not want to spend an awful amount on it... tryign to make my christmas $ do what i want...

    any suggestions for a good psu past or present?
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    • 370forlife
      Large Marge
      • Aug 2008
      • 3112
      • United States
      #2
      Re: new/ used psu suggestions

      Delta dps400rb is always a good choice. Plenty of Newton/Delta/dell 400 to 500w units for cheap on fleabay.

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        • ratdude747
          Black Sheep
          • Nov 2008
          • 17136
          • USA
          #3
          Re: new/ used psu suggestions

          the cheapest i could find for anything not A-power trash was $60. for that much, the HEC compucase Zephyr 750W you had for sale was a bargain.

          what scared me was there was more items labeled "4 dell" and was in reality an a-power unit than there were used parts. I wonder how many suckers get screwed by that.

          looks like i will have to see if anybody has an extra unit... too bad i am out of SATA connector or else i would buy the acbel and solder in the plugs.
          Last edited by ratdude747; 12-24-2010, 11:21 PM.
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            • ratdude747
              Black Sheep
              • Nov 2008
              • 17136
              • USA
              #4
              Re: new/ used psu suggestions

              i might have something:

              http://www.hypermicro.com/ProductDes...-ML310-&key=it

              i can't tell if it is a 20 or a 20+4 ATX. my research points to 20+4, but i can't tell for sure.

              look like a possible winner?
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                • PCBONEZ
                  Grumpy Old Fart
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10661
                  • USA
                  #5
                  Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                  http://desc.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nk...eDesc=1&_rdc=1

                  Note how search was done.
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                    • ratdude747
                      Black Sheep
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 17136
                      • USA
                      #6
                      Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                      cheapest was $40+shipping for a 400w. everything else was either no sata or proprietary mounting.
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                        • PCBONEZ
                          Grumpy Old Fart
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10661
                          • USA
                          #7
                          Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                          Seems to me that anyone that can solder caps should be able to solder a wire.
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                            • ratdude747
                              Black Sheep
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 17136
                              • USA
                              #8
                              Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                              i know that. but without any SATA plugs to solder, i am out of luck. I can't just snap my fingers and watch one magically appear in my hand. i used to have spares but they got used on things that got traded off, etc.

                              my main concern is future compatibility with future drives... the 3.3v line on the sata will be used someday and the adapters will not work. otherwise i would molex adapter it...
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                                • PCBONEZ
                                  Grumpy Old Fart
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 10661
                                  • USA
                                  #9
                                  Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                  So you can't solder wires if they are 3.3v?

                                  You can get the connectors from splitter adapters or dead PSUs.

                                  It's really just not that hard.
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                                    • PCBONEZ
                                      Grumpy Old Fart
                                      • Aug 2005
                                      • 10661
                                      • USA
                                      #10
                                      Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                      #5 in the search at the time I posted this.
                                      $35+ship, standard ATX, 460 watts and SATA connectors all over it.

                                      http://cgi.ebay.com/Delta-DPS-460DBB...item4aa732ff52
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                                        • ratdude747
                                          Black Sheep
                                          • Nov 2008
                                          • 17136
                                          • USA
                                          #11
                                          Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                          ran out of dead psu's with sata

                                          every sata plu i have seen was built so if there was no 3.3v wire put in orginally, you couldn't. like it was wired then encased in plastic.

                                          every splitter i have seen was for molex. most were made with thin wire.

                                          i might have 1 SATA plug left. i can't tell because it is in my junk wire bucket at my old house... if i can rustle up 2 or 3 connectors i might be able to splice the acbel (the sata on the ultra is only 20 gauge for 2 plugs).
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                                            • PCBONEZ
                                              Grumpy Old Fart
                                              • Aug 2005
                                              • 10661
                                              • USA
                                              #12
                                              Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                              Oh lookie, a Delta DPS-400RB like 370forlife suggested and it's only $30+ship.

                                              http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Gateway-DX44...item3a61af1de7
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                                              Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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                                                • PCBONEZ
                                                  Grumpy Old Fart
                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                  • 10661
                                                  • USA
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                  By the time you have drives that -require- the 3.3v your current SATA interface won't be adequate to run the drives anyway.
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                                                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                                  -
                                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                                  - Dr Seuss
                                                  -
                                                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                                  -

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                                                    • ratdude747
                                                      Black Sheep
                                                      • Nov 2008
                                                      • 17136
                                                      • USA
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                      ?

                                                      how so? it is sata 3gb/s compatible.

                                                      as for the $40 one, i saw that... i could not tell from the picture if it was the correct mount. it looked more like what i see in hp evo boxes... not quite standard atx mounts. it is narrower but taller. they do that to squeeze in a 90mm fan. looks like atx but in reality it will not fit without doing an extensive, difficult, and for my current case, impossible mod. and no, I am not going to butcher a case over a power supply. call me a wimp, but i have common sense.

                                                      the $30 one i saw too... but the grainy picture quality (from a cell phone) made me unsure... the model no. in the tile does not match the one in the description. the title says DPS-400WT, but the description says DPS-400RB. I have no idea if the first no. is any good... sounds like they don't know what they are talking about.
                                                      Last edited by ratdude747; 12-25-2010, 01:32 AM.
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                                                        • PCBONEZ
                                                          Grumpy Old Fart
                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                          • 10661
                                                          • USA
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                          The 3.3v is currently optional.
                                                          It will become -required- [if it ever does] by way of a new Standard.
                                                          A new Standard means new interface chips [which aren't invented yet] will be required.
                                                          Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                                          - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                                          -
                                                          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                                          - Dr Seuss
                                                          -
                                                          You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                                          -

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                                                            • ratdude747
                                                              Black Sheep
                                                              • Nov 2008
                                                              • 17136
                                                              • USA
                                                              #16
                                                              Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                              then why in the hell did they even invent the SATA connector in the first place?

                                                              either way, I'd rather do things the right way than half ass it. that isn't how i do business.
                                                              Last edited by ratdude747; 12-25-2010, 01:41 AM.
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                                                                • PCBONEZ
                                                                  Grumpy Old Fart
                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                  • 10661
                                                                  • USA
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                                  Currenty HDD manufacturers don't rely on 3.3v power being there and use a 5v to 3.3v converter on the PCB.
                                                                  I don't see them changing that plan unless having no 5v becomes mandatory in some new standard.
                                                                  It didn't happen with SATA3 [6g/s].
                                                                  Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                                                  - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                                                  -
                                                                  Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                                                  - Dr Seuss
                                                                  -
                                                                  You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                                                  -

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                                                                    • ratdude747
                                                                      Black Sheep
                                                                      • Nov 2008
                                                                      • 17136
                                                                      • USA
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                                      my concern is if they start ommiting the converter to save $ or pcb space. besides, i am powering cd drives as well... the goal would be 4-5 sata plugs (2 dvd-drives, 2 hard drives, 1 ls120 (berg)). woth blue ray drives, since they all are SATA only, they have no reason not to omit the converter.
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                                                                        • PCBONEZ
                                                                          Grumpy Old Fart
                                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                                          • 10661
                                                                          • USA
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                                          What drive manufacturer would deliberately manufacture drives that won't work in ~millions~ of currently in use PCs.


                                                                          Lets see...
                                                                          They could reduce cost by like $2 a drive
                                                                          - and reduce potential buyers by maybe 75%
                                                                          - and get a bad reputation for not working in all systems.
                                                                          All in one fell swoop!
                                                                          What a marketing plan! - Woo Hoo!

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                                                                          Last edited by PCBONEZ; 12-25-2010, 01:59 AM.
                                                                          Mann-Made Global Warming.
                                                                          - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.
                                                                          -
                                                                          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
                                                                          - Dr Seuss
                                                                          -
                                                                          You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                                                                          -

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                                                                            • ratdude747
                                                                              Black Sheep
                                                                              • Nov 2008
                                                                              • 17136
                                                                              • USA
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Re: new/ used psu suggestions

                                                                              how so? everything PSU i have seen has 3.3v running to the sata.

                                                                              why are you being so pushy? can we establish that if i do retrofit there will be a 3.3v line? Bickering over pointless crap and putting my thread on page #2 does nothing but poach my thread.
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