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  • ribBit
    Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 12
    • France

    #1

    Lenovo Laptop will not boot

    Disaster struck, in the night between 15 and 16 September It struck my laptop. Its screen, to be specific. If that doesn't sound too bad, just wait; it gets worse. I don't quite understand what happened actually, so maybe laying it down in text will help me discover the truth.

    Any feedback or suggestions are welcome, obviously. For those who want to speed read this, I got you covered. I'll be using bold font to help y'all map out this wall of text.

    I attempted to diagnose the laptop visually, and figured that the backlight was out of order. I could shine a torch on the screen and see my GUI, the OS was still working, etc. The backlight went out suddenly, as far as I can tell. So it was probably not the backlight itself, rather the inverter or the cable. Now, the screen plastic case had been broken a few years ago, no damage other than superficial, but some cables were exposed. I had dismantled the thing and reinforced it a few times; and the last time I did that, I left a cable exposed. I then took the laptop with me on a weekend in the countryside, to keep working on my 100DaysOfCode project. And the aforementioned tragedy occurred. Naturally, I identified the cable sticking out as the likely culprit, since it very well could have been worn and twisted just by folding the laptop.

    When I got back, I unscrewed the screen, took it off, and disconnected the few cables that linked it to the motherboard. I dusted and cleaned inside as I went for good measure. I plugged the functioning laptop half to a desktop monitor, and it worked. Great, right? The only problem was... I had unplugged the WiFi antenna, not realizing that that was what it was, connected as it was to the laptop screen. The laptop worked, but wasn't getting any signal. My better half had expressed the view that that particular cable was probably the antenna, and now I had evidence suggesting that she was right.

    I opened the laptop again, plugged the antenna back in, closed it, and booted it up; the desktop monitor couldn't detect the laptop anymore. Super weird, right? I booted the laptop again, tried unplugging and plugging the screen back in, no change. Okay, what if I remove the antenna, will I get a visual but no WiFi signal, like before? Nope, nothing. What if I plug the original, broken screen back in, to see if I get a visual, albeit without backlight? Nothing. After a few tests like that, and a few rounds of taking the laptop apart and putting it back together in different configurations, it wouldn't even boot anymore. I know I forgot to turn the laptop off before opening it at least once. It seems likely I broke something, caused it to short or something.

    So there, no more laptop. I don't know what is broken, beyond the screen, and I don't really have the tools to test all the important parts. Yet. I'll get a good multimeter soon, and I'll see if I can resurrect that old husk and install Linux on it or whatever. For now, since I can't boot from the HDD even from another laptop, I'll assume I managed to wipe it or damage it. Maybe the motherboard still works. Holy crap, I just need to plug another, working 2.5" HDD to the motherboard and give it a try! Stay tuned

    Edit: it does not appear to be just the HDD. It might be that the HDD is fine, but I doubt it since I tried to use it on another laptop and couldn't even boot the OS from it. I'm gonna use a SATA/USB cable to perform further tests as soon as I get it delivered to me. So the HDD is very likely wiped or damaged, but the comatose laptop refuses to boot even with a different HDD. Granted, that second HDD may also be damaged, but it seems unlikely. When the laptop is plugged to the wall socket, the LED indicating that it is charging lights up, so I assume the power supply is ok. When I try to boot, the LED indicating that the computer is on lights up for a couple of seconds, then off. No noise from inside le laptop as far as I can tell. I am wondering whether the motherboard simply doesn't interface correctly anymore with some component(s), and/or whether some component(s) may be "fried." Would that be consistent with a dead CPU, maybe? Feels like, with enough documentation on the hardware, a precise multimeter, and that cable I'm waiting for, I should be able to figure that out in a day.

    But maybe this story will sound familiar to a helpful fella or fellette out there, and I'll get some input from them to help me along on my personal path... to Truth
    Last edited by ribBit; 09-26-2018, 01:43 PM.
  • ktmmotocross
    Boardkiller
    • Feb 2014
    • 3590
    • slovakia

    #2
    Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

    start with measuring big coils for voltage when starting and compare it to schematic

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    • ribBit
      Member
      • Jul 2018
      • 12
      • France

      #3
      Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

      Thanks! Sounds reasonable, I'll start with that as soon as I get my hands on the gear I need for that.

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      • ribBit
        Member
        • Jul 2018
        • 12
        • France

        #4
        Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

        Pictures, in case it helps. The motherboard, and the CPU.
        Actually, that CPU doesn't look too good the mirror-like surface is a bit scratched, and what's that smudge above it? cuz I know it's not dirty...
        Last edited by ribBit; 09-26-2018, 05:24 PM.

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        • piernov
          Super Moderator
          • Jan 2016
          • 4435
          • France

          #5
          Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

          Atom CPU? You shouldn't lose your time with that, sell the laptop for parts and buy something better…
          Disconnect power (AC adapter and battery), remove the coin cell battery wait a couple of minute and insert it back and plug power back in (AC adapter and battery). While you're at it, check that the coin cell battery voltage is still above 3V.
          OpenBoardView — https://github.com/OpenBoardView/OpenBoardView

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          • ribBit
            Member
            • Jul 2018
            • 12
            • France

            #6
            Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

            Hey, thanks Piernov! Yeah, It's probably not worth saving, but I really want to be able to save my baby. Then I'll chop it up and sell the parts. I already got some PC parts in the mail, I'll be cooking with gas in a week ^^ Thanks for the advice btw, I'll try that right away

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            • ribBit
              Member
              • Jul 2018
              • 12
              • France

              #7
              Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

              btw, the CPU is actually an Intel Celeron CPU N2840 running @ 2.16GHz (2 CPUs). Still not worth my time, I know ^^

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              • ribBit
                Member
                • Jul 2018
                • 12
                • France

                #8
                Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                I tested the CR2032, the voltage was around 1V! So I changed it with one that showed 3V (not new though). Unfortunately, the laptop still doesn't boot. The 'on' LED is on for about 2 or 3 secs, as before, then turns off. The HDD doesn't make a spinning sound, nothing. I'll keep researching

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                • mcplslg123
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 7262
                  • india

                  #9
                  Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                  I'll suggest a mild reflow of the whole mb.

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                  • piernov
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 4435
                    • France

                    #10
                    Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                    N2840 is called "Celeron" but really it's in the Atom series, Bay Trail generation and as such is pretty underpowered (thanks Intel for consistency naming your CPU). A decent Core 2 Duo laptop is at least as powerful as this one. (sure you don't get the same portability though)

                    This behavior happens on some motherboard when the EC is initialized but subsequent power rails don't come up.
                    A common reason for that is the PCH not initializing. EC sends out RSMRST# and PWRBTN# to PCH, but PCH doesn't get out of an S5/S4 state and SLP_S4# stays low. For SLP_S4# to go high the RTC circuit must be working, and a dead coin cell battery can interfere with that since the RTC well reset signals (RTCRST# SRTCRST# INTVRMEN# INTRUDER#) may not get pulled high properly, or the CMOS memory gets corrupted.
                    I don't really know if that's what's happening there, and this is an Atom platform so it doesn't work exactly the same but may be similar.
                    OpenBoardView — https://github.com/OpenBoardView/OpenBoardView

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                    • ribBit
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                      • Jul 2018
                      • 12
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                      #11
                      Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                      fiiiiiine, I'll bake my motherboard I'll post the results in about an hour

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                      • ribBit
                        Member
                        • Jul 2018
                        • 12
                        • France

                        #12
                        Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot
                        " really it's in the Atom series"
                        aah, gotcha

                        My attempt at a reflow (8 min in an oven at 195°C, 1h to cool down, reassembly) was not fruitful, though it was quite the experience to stick a mobo in the oven. On the coin cell front, I ordered a dozen new CR2032 yesterday, to see if that'll help in any way.

                        I wanna thank mcplslg123 and piernov again for all the input, I'm learning a lot and may even remember some ^^ anyway you guys may explain how I could go about fixing the PCH not initializing? I'll be doing my own research on the side. Thanks again

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                        • ribBit
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                          #13
                          Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                          By the way, I got a SATA to USB adapter through the mail today, plugged the dead laptop's HDD into an older laptop I have kicking about... all the data is still there. My backup was a bit old, so that's cool.

                          What's puzzling is, I initially tried to mount that HDD into that old laptop, and it couldn't find an OS to boot from, so I assumed the HDD was broken or wiped blank. Now I'm thinking it might have been some compatibility issue, since the laptop rejected a Win10 HDD and accepted a Win7 HDD. Not a great data sample, I need to research more.

                          Suggestions welcome though.

                          TchĂĽss!

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                          • goontron
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                            #14
                            Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                            Originally posted by ribBit

                            What's puzzling is, I initially tried to mount that HDD into that old laptop, and it couldn't find an OS to boot from, so I assumed the HDD was broken or wiped blank. Now I'm thinking it might have been some compatibility issue, since the laptop rejected a Win10 HDD and accepted a Win7 HDD. Not a great data sample, I need to research more.

                            Suggestions welcome though.
                            Sounds like Windows 10 is installed in EFI mode, but the laptop (and the Windows 7 install) is in Legacy BIOS mode
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                            • ktmmotocross
                              Boardkiller
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 3590
                              • slovakia

                              #15
                              Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                              u still did not measure anything

                              reflow in owen is the last resort. it can save or kill board
                              Last edited by ktmmotocross; 09-28-2018, 10:30 PM.

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                              • ribBit
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                                • Jul 2018
                                • 12
                                • France

                                #16
                                Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                                I do see your point, I'm kinda taking things in the wrong order here huh. Symptoms are still the same as two weeks ago afaik. I'll try to get my hands on the schematics as my very next step.

                                in other news, I put a new coin cell in this morning; no change, but I got a small stash now ^^

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                                • ribBit
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                                  • Jul 2018
                                  • 12
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Lenovo Laptop will not boot

                                  Thanks again to everyone who gave me their two cents about this issue! Just to let you all know I'm still working on it, kinda. I ended up starting to learn more about laptop repairs, especially from a repair shop guy who made a YT channel called Electronics Repair School. It's not just educational though, that dude is really pleasant and funny. If you check it out, enjoy!

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