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  • p1muserfan
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 184
    • USA

    #1

    Compal LA-8241P

    Can't get 3.3 or 5v because 19v can't get past second power fet (PQ101). I have 19 volts on one side of the fet but nothing on the other. It reads fine in diode mode. Gate voltage is high though (19v), so is that why it's not opening? That would make sense except that gate voltage on PQ100 is also 19v but voltage passes through that fet just fine. Aren't both gates powered by the same source?
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  • fddizon
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Sep 2011
    • 555
    • Philippines

    #2
    Re: Compal LA-8241P

    do you have dc bench power supply?

    check gate circuit below fets on the diagram. otherwise lift gate pin of pq101
    Last edited by fddizon; 10-27-2014, 02:33 AM.

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    • p1muserfan
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
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      #3
      Re: Compal LA-8241P

      Originally posted by fddizon
      do you have dc bench power supply?

      check gate circuit below fets on the diagram. otherwise lift gate pin of pq101
      Yes, I have a power supply, used it with 1.5v and 2a to legs 5-8 of PQ101 and voltage stayed steady and amps were .07, is that considered a short? What are the components of the gate circuit, still learning how to read these schematics? Looks like PR105, PQ105a and b, PQ103 and 104 and PR103

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      • ktmmotocross
        Boardkiller
        • Feb 2014
        • 3553
        • slovakia

        #4
        Re: Compal LA-8241P

        check for acin, dcin, acok signals on PU100. P-channel mosfets are switched with negative voltage.

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        • cyberhack
          Badcaps Veteran
          • Feb 2013
          • 466
          • Uk

          #5
          Re: Compal LA-8241P

          PU100 pin 13 ac ok,see if that is ok

          sorry did not see the above post
          Last edited by cyberhack; 10-27-2014, 06:14 AM.

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          • ktmmotocross
            Boardkiller
            • Feb 2014
            • 3553
            • slovakia

            #6
            Re: Compal LA-8241P

            check both sides of pr119

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            • p1muserfan
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              • Apr 2014
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              #7
              Re: Compal LA-8241P

              Originally posted by ktmmotocross
              check for acin, dcin, acok signals on PU100. P-channel mosfets are switched with negative voltage.
              I've got nothing at all 3 pins so the chip is getting no power (dc in), so now I've got to find PR109 but this board isn't marked too well. PR102 is marked but out of 3 other resistors in the general area, 2 of them have no voltage on one side.

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              • p1muserfan
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
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                #8
                Re: Compal LA-8241P

                I now have purchased a good board that powers up just fine for comparison measurement purposes. To backtrack a bit, PQ101 on the good board measures no resistance in diode mode either way, PQ103 shows 19v on all 3 legs, and PQ104 shows 19,0,0. PQ101 on the problem board measures like a normal fet in diode mode, open in 1 direction and about .5v in the other. PQ103 shows 19v on 2 of the 3 pins, PQ104 shows 0,0 and 5v. So the gate circuit being a mess is affecting how PQ101 acts, correct?

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                • ktmmotocross
                  Boardkiller
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 3553
                  • slovakia

                  #9
                  Re: Compal LA-8241P

                  chceck pins of pq105

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                  • p1muserfan
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2014
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                    #10
                    Re: Compal LA-8241P

                    Originally posted by ktmmotocross
                    chceck pins of pq105
                    There are 19v at pin 3 and 5v at pin 6, the other 4 pins are 0

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                    • ktmmotocross
                      Boardkiller
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 3553
                      • slovakia

                      #11
                      Re: Compal LA-8241P

                      check voltage of pins of Pr118 and PQ109

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                      • p1muserfan
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                        • Apr 2014
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                        #12
                        Re: Compal LA-8241P

                        Originally posted by ktmmotocross
                        check voltage of pins of Pr118 and PQ109
                        Have nothing on pins of PQ109, cant find PR118, very little on this board is marked. None of the resistors in the area of PQ109 measure 47k resistance so there's no telling which one it could be. Did locate what I believe to be PR109 (remember, no DCIN to PU100) and with my power supply put 2A to each end of resistor. PU100 gets warm with probe on one side of resistor, so removed PU100. Pad of PU100 still warm with 2A put to PR109. So chip itself not short? Next put the 2A to trace #22 and it shows short too. PC111 short?

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                        • ktmmotocross
                          Boardkiller
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 3553
                          • slovakia

                          #13
                          Re: Compal LA-8241P

                          remove pc111 and u see. when removed u must see voltage on sides of pr109

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                          • p1muserfan
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                            • Apr 2014
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                            #14
                            Re: Compal LA-8241P

                            Still don't know where PR109 or PC111 is. However, found shorted cap on other side of board with power supply and now have 19v on both sides of large resistor (the one below PU100 with the circled 19) which I thought was PR109. It isn't because I still don't have 19v to pin 22 of chip. Do have 3v to pin 2 though, so the large resistor must be PR113? Next short is on one side of upper resistor to right of PU100 (the one marked 4R7)
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                            • ktmmotocross
                              Boardkiller
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 3553
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                              #15
                              Re: Compal LA-8241P

                              on pin 22 of chip u see capacitor that must be pc111, check for short and if u have remove it

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                              • khaahk
                                Badcaps Veteran
                                • Dec 2013
                                • 743
                                • Estonia

                                #16
                                Re: Compal LA-8241P

                                PR113 should be small in size. The big resistor must be PR109. You should see by traces which cap is connected to pin 22 of PU100.

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                                • atkari.p
                                  New Member
                                  • Aug 2017
                                  • 9
                                  • India

                                  #17
                                  Re: Compal LA-8241P

                                  board not ON 3.3 v in power sw ok . when i testing SIR, +3VALWP AND +5VALWP not come out (but when connect adaptor it comes for a second and goes 0v. on PU200 ic +3VLP pin no-8 ,VL pin no. 17 & 2VREF_6182 pin no.3,4 & 14 ok . so please what fault in this board .charger ic or PWR-3VALWP/5VALWP sectionfault
                                  Last edited by atkari.p; 02-24-2018, 06:24 AM.

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