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    Requesting assistance with 486 motherboard repair

    I have a seemingly rare 486 motherboard which shows no signs of life.

    The Motherboard is marked with the labels B887 / 8 / 9 AI, which seems to be a Mecer branded board.

    With an AT power supply hooked up, the power supply turns on but the board does not post, there is no beep and there is nothing displayed on the post analyser card, whether it's plugged into a PCI slot or an ISA slot.

    I found a thread on Vogons of someone else who had the same board in working condition.

    What I've tried so far: (In each case, the symptoms remain unchanged as above)

    - Matched the jumpers on my board with the jumpers from the board on Vogons
    - No memory installed / 1 module installed and tested through each of the slots / All slots populated with memory
    - Tested an Intel DX4 75, DX4 100 and AMD DX4 100 as well as a Cyrix DX2 66. (I know all of these processors work because they work in my other 486 boards) I tested at 3.3V for the Intel and AMD processors and 3.45 as well as 4V for the Cyrix. (All ongoing testing is with the Cyrix DX2 66)
    - With the processor removed, measured the voltage in the socket while changing the voltage jumpers and noted that the voltage changed with each jumper change as follows: (Measuring pin as shown in attached image marked with red dot)

    Jumper 3.3V position - 3.5V
    Jumper 3.45V position - 3.8V
    Jumper 4.0V position - 4.1V
    Jumper 5.0V position - 5.1V

    - Noted that all processors installed do get warm and even hot over time. (The Intel processors get quite hot over time, like 3-5min but the other processors only get warm)
    - Examined the board under my digital microscope to check for damaged components or broken traces. Found some scratches of the mask but the traces measured continuity so I just tinned the traces and confirmed no shorts. (Near to the SMC chip) The board is otherwise in really neat condition.
    - Washed the board with dish soap and warm water and dried with a blower until no more visible moisture and then left over night to dry further. (Removed the BIOS chip, CMOS battery and CPU lid before washing)
    - Removed the BIOS module and saved the BIOS using TL866 3G / Flashed another BIOS from The Retro Web and then tested and then back to the original BIOS (No change in symptoms)
    - Noted that the reset LED on the post analyser flashes at power on and then turns off. (The -12V, +12V and +5V LEDs remain on while the power is tuned on)

    I have a digital multimeter and a post analyzer card, I do not have an oscilloscope or any other advanced electronics equipment.

    I am handy with a soldering iron and capable of replacing components but I do not have much electronics knowledge and experience, and do not know how to trace the fault and repair it.

    I am requesting step-by-step guidance on troubleshooting this board with the hope of fixing it.

    #2
    Okay, let's check the power supply first. Here is the Pin-Out:

    P8-Connector:
    Orange: Power Good (PG)
    Red: +5V
    Yellow: +12V
    Blue: -12V
    Black: Ground
    Black: Ground

    P9-Connector:
    Black: Ground
    Black: Ground
    White: -5V
    Red: +5V
    Red: +5V
    Red: +5V

    The Power Good signal (PG) is very important, without getting this PG signal from the Power Supply, the mainboard will not start at all. So check this signal, it shall be 5V and stable.

    Then I suggest to check all quartz / clock generator components. Maybe the CPU does not get a clock signal.

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      #3
      I forgot: With a multimeter, you can measure activity at the clock lines. This is usually enough to know. The measurements can be something like 0,2V or so. At least, higher than 0V and lower than 5V, it must be. Then there is activity at those lines.

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        #4
        If I just check power good at the power connector, won't that just be checking the power supply? Or where do you advise to perform the measurement?

        I have tested multiple power supplies and also used this PS on other boards.

        On the crystals, am I understanding correctly that I should just look for a low voltage, since I don't have the equipment to measure the oscillations?

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          #5
          I found some information here Mustek B887 - The Retro Web some jumper settings on JP15 & JP7 are different
          Attached Files
          Last edited by R_J; 04-12-2025, 07:29 PM.

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            #6
            That pic on The Retro Web is mine. It was taken before I changed the jumpers to match the board with the ST CPU.

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              #7
              What is the rating of that small barrel crystal below the CPU socket? The markings are unreadable on it.

              As a test, can I exchange it with the barrel crystal from an AMD AM2 motherboard? (marking on it is KDS7A)

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                #8
                Do the NUM LOCK and CAPS LOCK keys light up their respective LEDs?

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                  #9
                  The power good measures 5V and is stable.

                  The previous owner carefully removed the keyboard connector to use on another board.
                  I've ordered a replacement keyboard connector and will solder it in place when the part arrives.

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                    #10
                    Are you using a graphic card, right?
                    Are you sure this card is working OK?
                    The fact the processor is heating is a good thing. It means that the tension there is ok.

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                      #11
                      I'm using a pci S3 Virge that is also being used in other systems. It is definitely working.

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                        #12
                        Do you not have an ISA VGA adapter?

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                          #13
                          No I don't have one but the board should indicate post codes or beep without any display card and yet it does not do anything.

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                            #14
                            That is true, but I have not seen a speaker on your motherboard...
                            Also, I noticed that the 3.3V led on your motherboard diagnostics board didn't light... Maybe you should check the 3.3V line...

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                              #15
                              I use a speaker connected to the front panel header pins on the positions marked for the speaker.

                              I'm quite sure it's normal for the 3.3V to not be powered on the analyser card. I don't think 3.3V is present on the slots.
                              I get the same behaviour on my other working 486 boards.

                              This board uses socket 2 which is meant for 5V CPU's.
                              Maybe despite there being a voltage regulator and jumpers for the lower voltages, the board does not actually support newer CPU's that use a voltage below 5V.
                              I don't know why that would be, but it is a 1992 board according to the sticker on the under side, so I guess it's possible that support was not yet implemented. If that is the case, it might be a lack of support in the BIOS.

                              I have measure the VCC voltages on the socket and did get acceptable voltages for the Cyrix DX2 that is installed.

                              I don't currently have a 5V CPU to test but I have ordered one and will test and soon as I receive it.

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