MS-7548 Failed TK Caps

[Uranium-235]

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do you realize any of you who do have more problems then me.

[LLLlllou]

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so no need to post new pics.

You do realize most of us enjoy pictures of failed caps almost as much as good porn, right?

[Uranium-235]

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c_heggeYes, but you don't need a Sandy Bridge processor to use Windows Aero and surf the net... Like I said, the Llano is more than adequate and there's that added benefit of being able to play games in the future... The point I'm trying to make is that it's more likely that a person who is buying a budget computer will use the additional graphics acceleration features of the Llano than it is that they would use the processing power of the Sandy Bridge.

I'm talking a system for like my mom. She plays solitare. bare bottom budget you get more for a basic system with that then you would get with an FM1

in addition the lower FM1's are pretty sucky for games, the A4's suck. Get an A6 if you want to do minimum gaming, and that is a bit more. I actually built a system with an A6-3650 for someone and was impressed by the areo 5.9 gpu score. but I soon realized the $99 price of it was just too much for what he needed it for.

would I want an A4-3400 for games? sure, if I was playing UT2003, half life 2 on medium settings. But newer games are gonna be bad for such things.

don't kid yourself, if you want a gaming system, get an external video card.

you get what you pay for. and if you want to game, unless its older games, get something other then an APU

[xgsound]

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Update: Parts received, installed, and the repair is a success. I only ordered the parts on Sunday night!
Original symptom was fans only and no post. Now it works like new. For an HP this is well equipped. It is a Phenom II X4, 650Watt PSU, 8Gb mem, and a Geforce 9800GT. The brother in law thanks you and so do I.


Jim

[c_hegge]

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Huh? I've never seen them use Sanyo.

[lti]

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For some reason, Asus boards like to blow the polymer caps on the VRM input. Both of the boards pictured above are made by Asus. They have even blown Sanyo caps.

[c_hegge]

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If the shorted cap was on the VRM out, then yes, it could, but it was the caps which blew in both of these cases, not the FETs.

[Uranium-235]

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what if a cap went short, could that cause an in fet to blow?

[c_hegge]

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c_hegge:Whoa! You think the CAP was the weakest link or one of those FETs caused it?

They are on the VRM IN. A bad FET would NOT overvolt the VRM in caps, although, it could overvolt the VRM out. The only way they could have been overvolted is if the PSU was supplying more than 16V on the 12V rail.

[mockingbird]

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c_hegge:Whoa! You think the CAP was the weakest link or one of those FETs caused it?

Most people who want budget stuff don't play games like this, they get external video cards. Far cry 2 on high quality will give you ~30fps on a A8-3850, I don't want to think about how much a 3500 would par

Yes, but you don't need a Sandy Bridge processor to use Windows Aero and surf the net... Like I said, the Llano is more than adequate and there's that added benefit of being able to play games in the future... The point I'm trying to make is that it's more likely that a person who is buying a budget computer will use the additional graphics acceleration features of the Llano than it is that they would use the processing power of the Sandy Bridge.

[Uranium-235]

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Though I do hear it actually does pretty well with some games, thats not the point i'm trying to make. Most people who want budget stuff don't play games like this, they get external video cards. Far cry 2 on high quality will give you ~30fps on a A8-3850, I don't want to think about how much a 3500 would par

some games, sure, but most of the time budget people would be more concerned with areo performance, surfing the 'net and playing farmville

gamers dont' use IGP/APU's. at least not 80-90% of them

[c_hegge]

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The VRM out ones are Fujitsu RE, but the Exploded ones are on the VRM in, and they are Apaq.

[mockingbird]

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Upon further consideration...


(Do not confuse the Apaq caps with the FPcaps. FPcap is a completely reliable brand/series)

I'd probably go with the MSI A55M-P35. It's out of stock there, but I can get the board here for a little under $60.

All Samxon (Manyue / X-CON) "ULR" series... I have practically no experience with them, but they're supposed to be good polymers. I like MSI boards bios/feature wise, but am a bit wary of their hardware...

[c_hegge]

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Come on, they've got to at least last a few years...

All of the Gigabyte boards I've used recently have had either OS-CON, Nichicon or NCC polies or Nichicon or Sanyo 'lytics. ASUS have been using Apaq polies for a while now, though.

[mockingbird]

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Oh My Goodness! Gigabyte are now using Apaq too on their low-end boards.

Come on, they've got to at least last a few years...

the a4's are below par with the g530. but the dx graphics doesn't matter if you're just using it for win7 areo.

No argument there... The G530 will crush the A4 in raw integer and FPU... I could make the same argument as you however that it is powerful enough, if not exceedingly powerful for basic budget use.

But when it comes to OpenGL or Direct3D performance, there is no contest... The A4 simply puts the G530 to shame in every way... The difference is that certain games will be playable on the A4 whereas on the G530, they won't...

For gaming, the G530 is an absolute no-no... The graphics core is several years older than Llano's.

[Uranium-235]

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I would have to disagree with you bird.

the a4's are below par with the g530. but the dx graphics doesn't matter if you're just using it for win7 areo.

the highest passmark for an a4 is ~1800 and the passmark for the g530 is ~2300

next up is the a6 3500, which is ~2200 costs $79, where the g530 is $49.

[c_hegge]

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Oh My Goodness! Gigabyte are now using Apaq too on their low-end boards.

[mockingbird]

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the G530 actually beats about any price/power comparison with AMD. It just gets a bad rep cause of the world 'celeron'

An A4-3xxx Llano + Decent A55 motherboard (Gigabyte makes a decent one with all polymer caps - albeit Apaq) is around $100, the same price as a G530 + H61 Motherboard combo.

The Llano A4-3xxx is vastly more powerful graphics-wise than the antiquated DirectX 10 class G530. I am not a proponent of AMD, but even I would unquestionably go with an AMD system for a budget build.

[Uranium-235]

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this is a time I would actually recommend an amd fusion chip. The A8-3850 is about equal to the PII 965 and about $10 cheaper, and the fusion graphics should be able to beat any current amd IGP solution (external video card negates this fact, cause it would be about the same in ether or)

the G530 actually beats about any price/power comparison with AMD. It just gets a bad rep cause of the world 'celeron'

[Scenic]

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Okay.. forget about "smoke any AM2 system" .. it would smoke AM2 systems, but not an AM2+ Phenom II Quadcore
Those low-end 1155 boards have quite a bunch of limitations though (only 2 RAM slots, missing a bunch of features, may not support high-wattage CPUs, no overclocking whatsoever, etc.). Just keep that in mind.

I'd still focus on the repair first before considering something new. I was just bored and went digging for the cheapest dualcore 1155 combo I could put together as some sort of challenge, if you will