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    Need help troubleshooting a Whirpool control board (it's not the caps!)

    I have a Whirlpool Side-by-side refrigerator that is only a few years old and I am now experience a problem where the cooling coil valve that enters the refrigerator side is not opening consistently. (the freezer is perfect ice cold). I have found out the problem can be overcome by simply pulling the power for a few minutes. Upon restart it works for some period then randomly stops. In speaking with a tech they claim this issue is likely due to an issue on the main control board. So I decided to pull it and I thought one cap looked bad so I replaced all 4... I thought I had solved it but ~24 hours later, it exhibited the same intermittent symptoms. Anyone have a clue what other part on this board might be the issue???

    #2
    maybe the valve is sticking - connect a meter or lamp to it

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      #3
      Definitely not a valve issue.. it is electronic

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        #4
        well it could be a relay issue - and c58 doesnt look great - top should be flat
        i dont think c58 is the issue - just something unrelated.

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          #5
          actually agree with you. I replaced c58 + the other 3 caps... (picture is before my repair).... still having the issue..... If it were a relay... I would assume that would just be dead and unrecoverable with my power off power on trick... what do you think... I am certainly not an expert however so not positive about my statement on that point, just my understanding how the part works.
          Last edited by UL161; 12-13-2023, 12:35 AM.

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            #6
            no, what useually fails is the switching contacts get pitted from arcing and then they get unreliable.
            maybe you can switch them with a battery and then meter the contact resistance but thats not reliable without a load.

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              #7
              Originally posted by UL161 View Post
              Definitely not a valve issue.. it is electronic
              Where is the power supply board located at because I do not see a switching power supply transformer or the switching power supply regulator on this board because you might not be getting any power to supply power to this board

              I have worked on this type of board before on another refrigerator and it was a power supply problem so I would look for the power supply board and see if it powering ON or not
              Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 12-26-2023, 07:53 PM.
              9 PC LCD Monitor
              6 LCD Flat Screen TV
              30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
              10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
              6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
              1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
              25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
              6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
              1 Dell Mother Board
              15 Computer Power Supply
              1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


              These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

              1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
              2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

              All of these had CAPs POOF
              All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

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                #8
                sam_sam_sam.... Thanks for this suggestion.. I am actually thinking that the power supply board might be causing the issue to some extend too. It is actually on a separate board next to this one... (see this link on ebay... Board is basically this model. ) I think one 10uF Cap on this board looks a bit suspect... Maybe I should just try to reCAP the power supply board too. What do you think??

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                  #9
                  OMFG!
                  get that board out and inspect it,
                  the one on the ebay link had so many cracked solder joints it was hard to believe!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by stj View Post
                    OMFG!
                    get that board out and inspect it,
                    the one on the ebay link had so many cracked solder joints it was hard to believe!
                    That is not unusual for Whirlpool controllers board to be like that sometimes after a few years in service poor quality control on the part of manufacturers of these boards really sad that they do not have better quality controls in place but it not just Whirlpool that has this there are a lot manufacturers that seem to have this problem as well

                    9 PC LCD Monitor
                    6 LCD Flat Screen TV
                    30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
                    10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
                    6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
                    1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
                    25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
                    6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
                    1 Dell Mother Board
                    15 Computer Power Supply
                    1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


                    These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

                    1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
                    2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

                    All of these had CAPs POOF
                    All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

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ID:	3169653 Here are a few picture of my power control board.. I don't think it looks in as bad shape as that one on ebay... That said, I think it is probably worthwhile to just replace the 7 caps on the board. Would you agree?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by UL161 View Post
                        sam_sam_sam.... Thanks for this suggestion.. I am actually thinking that the power supply board might be causing the issue to some extend too. It is actually on a separate board next to this one... (see this link on ebay... Board is basically this model. ) I think one 10uF Cap on this board looks a bit suspect... Maybe I should just try to reCAP the power supply board too. What do you think??
                        I highly recommend that you use a magnifying glass to see the fine cracks around the pin soldering joints to the board or if see flux around the pins or around the pin holes to solder traces if you see either one remove the solder and redo them

                        You need to look at pin connectors on this board for bad-rings around that look like the solder separation from the pins to board because or gaps between the pins and solder joints to the board Whirlpool has had some very serious issues with this in the past I have repaired a few there board in the past

                        9 PC LCD Monitor
                        6 LCD Flat Screen TV
                        30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
                        10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
                        6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
                        1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
                        25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
                        6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
                        1 Dell Mother Board
                        15 Computer Power Supply
                        1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


                        These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

                        1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
                        2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

                        All of these had CAPs POOF
                        All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by UL161 View Post
                          Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3067.jpg Views:	0 Size:	2.03 MB ID:	3169656 Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3066.jpg Views:	0 Size:	1.94 MB ID:	3169655 Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3061.jpg Views:	0 Size:	2.13 MB ID:	3169654 Click image for larger version  Name:	IMG_3062.jpg Views:	0 Size:	2.07 MB ID:	3169653 Here are a few picture of my power control board.. I don't think it looks in as bad shape as that one on ebay... That said, I think it is probably worthwhile to just replace the 7 caps on the board. Would you agree?
                          Take a picture of the bottom of the board so I can see the soldering joints and the traces

                          What is the part number of the device that is mounted on the heat sink

                          Because iI think I see the switching power supply regulator because if I see it right it has 5 or 6 pins

                          By the way the capacitors that KZE or KY are a very good series in caps I would not necessarily replace them at this point but if there is a capacitor near the switching power supply regulator I would definitely recommend changing it especially if the UF value is less than 100uf it might be 10uf, 22uf, 33uf, 47uf
                          Last edited by sam_sam_sam; 12-28-2023, 08:23 PM.
                          9 PC LCD Monitor
                          6 LCD Flat Screen TV
                          30 Desk Top Switching Power Supply
                          10 Battery Charger Switching Power Supply for Power Tool
                          6 18v Lithium Battery Power Boards for Tool Battery Packs
                          1 XBox 360 Switching Power Supply and M Board
                          25 Servo Drives 220/460 3 Phase
                          6 De-soldering Station Switching Power Supply 1 Power Supply
                          1 Dell Mother Board
                          15 Computer Power Supply
                          1 HP Printer Supply & Control Board * lighting finished it *


                          These two repairs where found with a ESR meter...> Temp at 50*F then at 90*F the ESR reading more than 10%

                          1 Over Head Crane Current Sensing Board ( VFD Failure Five Years Later )
                          2 Hem Saw Computer Stack Board

                          All of these had CAPs POOF
                          All of the mosfet that are taken out by bad caps

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