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  • madan1
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Nov 2016
    • 682
    • Bulgaria

    #1

    Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

    Hello everyone.

    Some background - I have one of those chinese diesel heaters, which I'm using to heat a garage. Probably most of you are familiar with that units, but here is some basic info - the main heater body is enclosed with the motherboard+sensors unit inside a plastic case. The heater has a glow plug, that works only when the unit is starting (start the fire in the burner) and stopping (make sure to completely burn the fuel inside the burner) and two fans on a single motor. One fan is used to push fresh air in the burner, the other is used to push cold air in the case and thus transfer energy from the heater body. For PSU I use a PS3 power supply, which has 12v and 5v outputs. The heater works with 7-16V and it has no power regulation/stabilization for the glow plug and the fan (it has only for the ICs on the motherboard).
    I guess many of you already see the problem, which will happen if the power supply is interrupted - the fan stops cooling the heater body while in the combustion chamber there are still fuel and (some) air to continue the burning process. This might cause temperature increase in the case, enough to damage the motherboard (the heater body can easily reach up to 210-220 C* when running).
    So I'm thinking about some kind of a basic (and cheap) temporary/emergency power supply. What I have in mind is a car battery in parallel with the psu 12v rail and a 5V relay which will cut the pulse signal to the pump (see attached image). This way, when there is a mains interruption, the psu will die and the signal to the pump will be cut, which will be detected as an error by the heater's brain and will force it go into power off cycle. The normal power off procedure also keeps the fan running until the heater body reaches safe temperature.
    When the glow plug is on, the unit consumes about 12-15 amps (~150watts if I remember correctly). When the glow plug is off (most of the time), the unit consumes less than 1 amp.
    The psu specs are 12v 20+A and 5V 1A

    So please check the drawing I made and give your suggestions on how to improve it. Thanks in advance.
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    Last edited by madan1; 12-18-2022, 08:12 PM.
  • CapLeaker
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    • Dec 2014
    • 8158
    • Canada

    #2
    Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

    My quick thought about it is that you fix one problem but still have the same problem reoccurring later, when the power hasn’t been restored and the battery goes flat.

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    • madan1
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Nov 2016
      • 682
      • Bulgaria

      #3
      Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

      Originally posted by CapLeaker
      My quick thought about it is that you fix one problem but still have the same problem reoccurring later, when the power hasn’t been restored and the battery goes flat.
      The power off procedure lasts for like 5 minutes. My idea is just to have enough power to safely auto-shutdown (triggered by the disconnected pump or just starving from lack of fuel) avoiding damage to the motherboard or even worse. I do not intend to run it on battery.
      I also hope that the battery will recharge when the mains recover and the PSU turns on.. and here is one of my main concerns - does the battery need some kind of current limiter or it can take the full 20+amps from the psu?

      P.S. The heater needs some "human touch" to turn on, while the PSU is rigged to turn on automatically.
      Last edited by madan1; 12-18-2022, 08:29 PM.

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      • CapLeaker
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        • Dec 2014
        • 8158
        • Canada

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        Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

        Aah, important information… well, as far as the battery goes, you probably thinking of a lead acid battery. There are flodded or SLA (glass mat). These need specific float voltage. To little and the battery is never charged full and Sulfates after a while. Too much and you boil the battery dry. So you may have to convert your PSU to variable output.

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        • the old man51
          Member
          • Dec 2022
          • 11
          • yorkshire

          #5
          Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWC5...=DavidMcLuckie

          try this guy

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          • the old man51
            Member
            • Dec 2022
            • 11
            • yorkshire

            #6
            Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

            this broad scotish

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            • madan1
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Nov 2016
              • 682
              • Bulgaria

              #7
              Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

              Originally posted by the old man51
              Well, checked some videos, but nothing concerning my issue, apart from proving that my theory about disconnecting the fuel pump will actually put the unit into a powerdown cycle.
              So the main question continues to be - is it OK to just put a lead battery in parallel to the power supply or I need to use some kind of circuitry with it.

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              • petehall347
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jan 2015
                • 4426
                • United Kingdom

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                Re: Diesel heater emergency power supply / poor man's UPS

                just run it off a 12v battery as its designed for and leave the battery on an automatic battery charger .. i run a few things like that no problem .

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