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  • barmoley
    New Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 2

    #1

    Nichicon HE series experience?

    Does anybody have experience using HE series of Nichicon, specially part number UHE2A331MHD6?
  • shadow
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2007
    • 732
    • Australia

    #2
    Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

    I have used Nichicon HE series capacitors in one particular recap project. It was the only series of good quality low ESR capacitors that I could get hold of in the appropriate physical dimensions.

    Needless to say that they worked just fine.

    I think that the HE series of capacitors do not have specifications that are as good as the Panasonic FM, FC series capacitors or the Rubycon MBZ series of capacitors. However they are way ahead of garbage capacitors.

    The way to check this is to pick up the data sheet for the Nichicon HE series and compare it to the competition. Usually it is not difficult to source the Panasonic FM and FC series of capacitors.

    The things to look out for when comparing equivalent capacitors include:
    ESR - lower is better
    Ripple - Higher is better

    Nichicon is considered a good brand. However they have had an issue with their HN(M) series of capacitors in the past.

    By the way, what are you trying to fix? Pictures help a lot.

    BTW, welcome to the forums!

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    • barmoley
      New Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 2

      #3
      Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

      Thank you for your prompt reply, I'm considering to recommend it to my friend who fixing his motherboard. I will try to clarify with him more details.

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      • Bobdee
        Badcaps Veteran
        • Jun 2008
        • 461

        #4
        Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

        Originally posted by shadow
        I have used Nichicon HE series capacitors in one particular recap project. It was the only series of good quality low ESR capacitors that I could get hold of in the appropriate physical dimensions.
        Sorry I could not help noticing something wrong here,the link here

        http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/423...2a331mhd6.html
        says this is a general purpose cap not low esr, needs checking out

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        • Toasty
          Badcaps Legend
          • Jul 2007
          • 4171

          #5
          Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

          A 100 volt cap on a mobo???? Not likely.

          Not low enough ESR in the HE series for mobo work.

          Shadow is correct regarding Panasonic FC or FM(best).
          Ruby MBZ's & MCZ's are available from this site https://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=22 .
          If you have to use Nichicon, stay with the HZ(best) or HN series.

          Toast
          veritas odium parit

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          • yanz
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Nov 2004
            • 910

            #6
            Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

            I have used HE series since 2006, no problem so far. perfect for PSU recap and mobo (vrm input). it has a long lifetime and low enough esr. And IMHO, im not agree about FC better than HE, it's the way arround : HE is beter than FC.
            days are so short when you actually do something..

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            • shadow
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Feb 2007
              • 732
              • Australia

              #7
              Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

              Originally posted by Bobdee
              Sorry I could not help noticing something wrong here,the link here

              http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/423...2a331mhd6.html
              says this is a general purpose cap not low esr, needs checking out
              Well I am not sure what constitutes as a "Low ESR" capacitor. How low should it be? It seems like Digi-Key groups its capacitors into two groups. General Purpose and Polymer.

              However I used the HE capacitors for a P3 system. P3's don't stress the VRM as much as modern processors as far as I know.

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              • PCBONEZ
                Grumpy Old Fart
                • Aug 2005
                • 10661
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

                Originally posted by yanz
                I have used HE series since 2006, no problem so far. perfect for PSU recap and mobo (vrm input). it has a long lifetime and low enough esr. And IMHO, im not agree about FC better than HE, it's the way arround : HE is beter than FC.
                Yes, HE is a better grade than FC. [For ESR and Ripple anyway.]
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                • PCBONEZ
                  Grumpy Old Fart
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10661
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

                  Originally posted by shadow
                  Well I am not sure what constitutes as a "Low ESR" capacitor. How low should it be? It seems like Digi-Key groups its capacitors into two groups. General Purpose and Polymer.

                  However I used the HE capacitors for a P3 system. P3's don't stress the VRM as much as modern processors as far as I know.
                  There are no "Official' definitions of what 'low' or 'ultra low' or similar expressions mean. That's up to the manufacturer and some of them [mostly from TW and China] aren't especially honest in their data sheet 'advertising'.

                  The way to compare caps grades between series' is to look at ESR and Ripple for the same can size.

                  Since you use Digikey their non-poly grades go like this:
                  giving Ripple/ESRLooking at 8x20mm can size and giving Ripple/ESR:
                  -
                  ------ 8x20mm ---------- 10x20mm -----
                  -
                  FM -- 1560 / .030 -- -- - 2180 / .019
                  -
                  KZE - 1280 / .041 -- -- - 1820 / .023
                  -
                  KY -- 1050 / .069 -- -- - 1400 / .046
                  HE -- 1050 / .069 -- -- - 1400 / .046
                  -
                  PW -- 995 / .065 -- -- - 1220 / .052
                  FC - - 995 / .065 -- -- - 1220 / .052
                  LXZ -- 810 / .080 -- -- - 1220 / .052

                  You STILL have to look up the specs for the individual caps because for a given uF a 'better grade' series may have a 10x12.5mm can and the 'lesser grade' series has a 10x25mm can.
                  In that case the 'lesser grade' cap may have better specs due to the larger can size.
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                  Last edited by PCBONEZ; 06-02-2009, 05:52 PM.
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                  • PCBONEZ
                    Grumpy Old Fart
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 10661
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

                    KZE are a great choice for all-around on P3 boards and they tend to be less expensive than the others from Digikey.
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                    • yanz
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 910

                      #11
                      Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

                      That's a simply good guidlines, Bonez

                      KZE are goods, but the brown family caps of chemicon are easy to be counterfeited. Fake chemicon caps can easily be found here like brownies cakes. (Oh, but that's my story.. ) But i guess if u buy it from reputable online shop like digikey then there's no worries.
                      days are so short when you actually do something..

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                      • Bobdee
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 461

                        #12
                        Re: Nichicon HE series experience?

                        Originally posted by shadow
                        I have used Nichicon HE series capacitors in one particular recap project. It was the only series of good quality low ESR capacitors that I could get hold of in the appropriate physical dimensions.:
                        Hello Shadow
                        Sorry for my error, I was mislead by Digikey been on Nichicon site and HE are described as Extremely Low Impedance,
                        And with other members input there can be no doubt about the above advice being correct.
                        bob

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