Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

[Used_Cars]

They are calling it the "Refrigerator Evaporator Motor" on our Amana SSD25SW
side-by-side refrigerator/freezer. About 2 weeks ago it started making the distinctive "roaring" noise a motor makes when the bearing is going bad, and it's been getting steadily worse since them. At this point it's at the "intermittant" stage, and I'd like to get it repaired before it gets to the "constant" stage.

I've removed the access panels on the freezer side, verified that it's this motor that's making the noise, removed the motor and there's a lot of "slop" in the way that the shaft moves around on the motor. Put it back together "loosely" (left some parts off like the ice maker and a shroud) until I get the motor.

Part number: C8891605

I've confirmed the part number because it's on a tag on the motor itself and searspartsdirect lists an alternative part number WPC8891605. Note I need the motor only, and not the assembly, as the fan is fine.

I find both of these part numbers on places like Amazon and eBay, but the price for new motors (I prefer new) floats between $70 and $120 and I feel like this motor should be priced around $30 (or even less) if I knew where to look. So I came here figuring there were a bunch of people that knew where to look for parts. Any help appreciated and thanks in advance.


Part #29B
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/mode...280/00009.html

[stj]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

cant you tear it down and replace the bearings?

[Used_Cars]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

cant you tear it down and replace the bearings?

Sorry I haven't got time. I'm building an artificial heart for my wife's father, and it needs to be done in the next couple of weeks. And last week we got a flat tire so processing all those rubber trees to make a replacement tire has thrown my schedule off.

[Longbow]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Well, when you are done with your artificial heart, you might put a few drops of oil on the motor and that will extend its life another year or so also.

[kaboom]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Instead of wasting all that time being a smartass, you could've done a more in-depth search.

Specifically regarding what whirlpool has done with maytag parts prices after the buyout roughly 10 years ago.

"Oh, what the hell is he talking about?"

Like I said, do some investigating. In the meantime, oil the damn thing.


stj, those c-frame motors have sintered bearings held by a sort of circular spring washer. The aluminum end bells have little tabs that are bent over to retain the circular bearing retainer. When these are assembled, the center of the spring retainer is first compressed, then the tabs get formed clamping the whole thing together.

If, somehow, you manage to undo the tabs and remove the retainer, you've got no way to tension the assembly. You may get the tabs bent back down, but that bearing will be loose inside, rattling around.

Been there done that, even watched others do the same and fail, after repeated (and ignored) advice.

[whiz62]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

If it is a c frame motor, Grainger has a kit for about 30 bucks. armature rotation can be reversed quickly and comes with two sizes of fan blades to fit most applications.

[stj]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

those c-frame motors have sintered bearings held by a sort of circular spring washer. The aluminum end bells have little tabs that are bent over to retain the circular bearing retainer. When these are assembled, the center of the spring retainer is first compressed, then the tabs get formed clamping the whole thing together.

If, somehow, you manage to undo the tabs and remove the retainer, you've got no way to tension the assembly. You may get the tabs bent back down, but that bearing will be loose inside, rattling around.

i have seen those bearings on fan heaters and wondered if i could manage to jam a ball-race in there instead - not tried it yet.

[ajshoe]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

couple alternatives is to go to your local appliance repair shop and see if they have a used one. You can easily check the used one by check the bearings for play. Or u can oil yours and probable get some more life out of it. Another suggestion is to take your motor to a appliance store and see if they can match it up with a third party motor. I do this occasionally with success. Those bearings are not easily serviceable but the motor can be taken apart, cleaned, and oiled with success. I've done it several times. They do sell generic fan motors - requires some work to get them to fit into your application. Good luck

[Used_Cars]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Okay so I'm back with the same problem. I took it out, fiddled with it, put it back in (before everything in the freezer melted) and now it's 2 months later and it started making that grinding noise again.

So I repeat the process, do all my research and end up in the exact same place, which is I see at least a dozen motors that look exactly alike, but none that I can find a resource to cross-reference from my original part number to the one that I think might work.

And, the primary issue is cost, because a motor that cross references from my part number is $90 to $120, and a new, looks-exactly-the-same motor is as low as $15.00.

So we're talking about $75 here.

cant you tear it down and replace the bearings?

Right, so bearings, what bearings. I opened it up and didn't see no stinking bearings. What I found was a spinning thing inside of a big metal thing with two cap things on either side of the spinning thing and they all fastened together with two screws. And the spinning thing was sloppy, noisy and dirty. But no bearings, anywhere.

The OTHER thing I noticed was that it wobbled around quite a bit, like something inside those end-pieces was wallowed out.

Instead of wasting all that time being a smartass, you could've done a more in-depth search.

Right so when I do a whole bunch of in-depth searching and I come up with SQUAT, and I'm desperate enough to take the time to make a post (20 minutes) and ask for help and then wait for a day, or two, or three for that help to come in, that pretty much means that I've decided my in-depth searching is a waste of time. There's a certain kind of person that legitimately thinks the answer to a question is "Just use Google". Telling someone to fiddle around with, fix, lubricate or otherwise mess with non-existent bearings, particularly within the context of a forum dedicated to the idea of repairing equipment, is pretty much the equivalent of telling me to go use Google.

So I think my comment was thoroughly, 100% appropriate, and besides that it was really funny. Don't like it? Too bad. Have an avatar that shows giving the middle finger and then post flippant "answers" that really have nothing to do with the thread, and ALSO indicate almost no effort was expended on even finding out what the question was, and THAT is the type of answer you will get. Also excessive tattoos and piercings will cause you to fail at job interviews. People judge you by what you present. You can't blame others for that, nor hold them accountable and responsible for decisions that you have made. That's the entire foundation of the "victim mentality" and that is why the United States is tottering on the brink of bankruptcy and civil war, and it's time for people to start telling these sub-standard performers the truth.

And here it is.

Specifically regarding what whirlpool has done with maytag parts prices after the buyout roughly 10 years ago.

"Oh, what the hell is he talking about?"

Like I said, do some investigating. In the meantime, oil the damn thing.

I have a better idea. Why don't you have a general conversation about what "Whirlpool" has done in someone else's thread? What *I* see is that Whirlpool has played 3-card Monte with part numbers so that the motor that sells for a current model has one connector, and one part number and sells for $15.00, and the exact same motor that sells for an "old" model has a different connector, a different part number, and sells for $115.

And then there's you, not being helpful, or informative on either of those two subjects, and only ONE of them is on-topic.

stj, those c-frame motors have sintered bearings held by a sort of circular spring washer. The aluminum end bells have little tabs that are bent over to retain the circular bearing retainer. When these are assembled, the center of the spring retainer is first compressed, then the tabs get formed clamping the whole thing together.

If, somehow, you manage to undo the tabs and remove the retainer, you've got no way to tension the assembly. You may get the tabs bent back down, but that bearing will be loose inside, rattling around.

Been there done that, even watched others do the same and fail, after repeated (and ignored) advice.

I have no idea what a "sintered" bearing is, what a "c-frame" motor is, and I didn't see any "spring" anywhere, and I get the general impression that you are talking about something else, and not the motor in question. Did YOU use "Google". A simple search of the part number shows lots and lots of pitchers, and the words around them are REAL SHORT too.

And I'll tell you something else. I'm not fussing around with that stupid assembly while an entire freezer full of food is melting. I'm buying a replacement motor, and when it arrives I'm going to spend about 15 minutes pulling the old one, and installing the new one, and I'm not going to give it a 2nd thought afterwards.

If it is a c frame motor, Grainger has a kit for about 30 bucks. armature rotation can be reversed quickly and comes with two sizes of fan blades to fit most applications.

"If"? Again with the Google search. Here, let me help:

http://images.lmgtfy.com/?q=C8891605

I find it quite retarded that on a forum dedicated to the repair of things, a senior member castigates the OP for failing to do some unknown, unknowable and invisible research, who doesn't also do that research, and then people later on follow that bad example and also make comments without doing even the most basic level of research.

couple alternatives is to go to your local appliance repair shop and see if they have a used one. You can easily check the used one by check the bearings for play. Or u can oil yours and probable get some more life out of it. Another suggestion is to take your motor to a appliance store and see if they can match it up with a third party motor. I do this occasionally with success. Those bearings are not easily serviceable but the motor can be taken apart, cleaned, and oiled with success. I've done it several times. They do sell generic fan motors - requires some work to get them to fit into your application. Good luck

Thanks I appreciate the intent but there's a s**t-ton of these motors out there and there's no point in taking time driving around and digging around some crusty-old fart's trashpile looking for a used, and possibly bad, motor that, with just a tiny bit of help (such as finding a reference that crosses my original part number to a motor that costs $15.00 delivered on eBay) I can solve my own problem. I just need someone that 1) Actually wants to help and 2) Has that "magic something" that I don't.

Today's research shows this:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...10168&_sacat=0

And this is a typical example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WR60X10168-f...UAAOSw~oFXLOPT

Does the motor part (excluding the connector) equal C8891605?

And, as an aside, as a short-term fix I sprayed WD-40 into both end thingies, and packed some lithium grease. Also cleaned the black crud around the spinning thing and put on a layer of lithium grease on both the spinning thing and the cylinder part it spins inside of. It runs quieter now, but from what I've read lubricating them is a short term fix and the only way to get any real life out of the motor is to replace it.

[stj]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

the spining thing is the shaft, the gold coloured bit that it spins in is called a "sintered bronze bearing"
and yes, they wear down allowing the shaft to wobble.

you can get a short-term fix by putting oil on the bearing by dripping it down the shaft.

[rhomanski]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

That looks like the same motor in my $15 fan from Wal Mart.

[Longbow]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Well, the main difficulty as I see it has been the cost of the motor. It is certainly available. I've had a good relationship with the Repair Clinic and your motor is shown here:
http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDeta...s=a4b1c53&mr=1

This motor is not the simplest of its type so generic replacements are probably not an option. The thing has to operate in freezing temperatures, every day, probably for a good 8 to 12 hours a day. They wear out and there isn't much you can do. I haven't personally seen "repair kits" for this type of motor, but who knows. They are usually put together in a way that you ruin it by taking it apart. You are paying the big bucks because it is a specialized motor, because it fits perfectly into the hole that the old one came out of, and it has the right electrical plug on it.

Snap out of it and get the motor.

[keeney123]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

If it is a pressed bearing then you would need a arbor to push it off the shaft. I don't know if you have an large appliance repair shop around you, but if you did they might have a used one that is still good that would not cost very much. Otherwise you will have to figure if the $70 to $12o is worth it. As in how old is the unit.

[keeney123]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

So if you undue the two bolts that hold on the rotor can you remove it. If so then you would just need the rotor.

[Longbow]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Just because you think you can take something apart, doesn't mean it will go back together again. I call this the FPT-NTA method. Factory put together, never take apart. Go ahead and drill out the rivets, locate the manufacturer of the bronze oil-lite bushings. Persuade them to sell you just 2 bushings instead of a trainload of them. Install on the shaft and hope you can re-align the rotor without the factory jig, hope that the rotor shaft itself has no significant wear (making bushing replacement pointless). Let's see, have we gone past the point where we are losing money by spending a few months of non-productive time whilst dealing with a dripping refrigerator?

I can't even.

[keeney123]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Just because you think you can take something apart, doesn't mean it will go back together again. I call this the FPT-NTA method. Factory put together, never take apart. Go ahead and drill out the rivets, locate the manufacturer of the bronze oil-lite bushings. Persuade them to sell you just 2 bushings instead of a trainload of them. Install on the shaft and hope you can re-align the rotor without the factory jig, hope that the rotor shaft itself has no significant wear (making bushing replacement pointless). Let's see, have we gone past the point where we are losing money by spending a few months of non-productive time whilst dealing with a dripping refrigerator?

I can't even.

First if you listen to what I wrote I did not say take the bushings or bearing out. I ask if you could take the screws out. Would this pull apart the whole rotor assemble. As far as going back together it can only go one of two ways, 180 degrees difference. A simple marker can be used to remember which way. I thought you might locate the whole rotor assemble bearing in-tacked and replace that. Could be from a appliance repair store or perhaps online if it has a part number on it or find the part number online. I thought it would be easiest to determine if it could be taken apart in the first place. If it can not then one does not need to look for a part. If this is too difficult for you then bring it down to a repair shop and let them do it.

[ozzy214]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

How many you want? I used to scrap heavily and have a ton of those same "design" motors. Just got to match the two wires for polarity and the shaft size... done. Whats the big deal?

Fuck I took a compressor motor from a old fridge and turned it into a cooling fan for a industrial size battery charger.

Where there is a will, there is way. So go outside find something scrap with a semi identical motor and install it.

[mhc]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

Kaboom No one saw it but us?

[kc8adu]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

what a way to get help from forum members.learn something new every day..
anyway its a dirt common shaded pole motor.
a few measurements an look around ebay,surplus sites,or gasp junk fans/heaters.

Okay so I'm back with the same problem. I took it out, fiddled with it, put it back in (before everything in the freezer melted) and now it's 2 months later and it started making that grinding noise again.

So I repeat the process, do all my research and end up in the exact same place, which is I see at least a dozen motors that look exactly alike, but none that I can find a resource to cross-reference from my original part number to the one that I think might work.

And, the primary issue is cost, because a motor that cross references from my part number is $90 to $120, and a new, looks-exactly-the-same motor is as low as $15.00.

So we're talking about $75 here.



Right, so bearings, what bearings. I opened it up and didn't see no stinking bearings. What I found was a spinning thing inside of a big metal thing with two cap things on either side of the spinning thing and they all fastened together with two screws. And the spinning thing was sloppy, noisy and dirty. But no bearings, anywhere.

The OTHER thing I noticed was that it wobbled around quite a bit, like something inside those end-pieces was wallowed out.



Right so when I do a whole bunch of in-depth searching and I come up with SQUAT, and I'm desperate enough to take the time to make a post (20 minutes) and ask for help and then wait for a day, or two, or three for that help to come in, that pretty much means that I've decided my in-depth searching is a waste of time. There's a certain kind of person that legitimately thinks the answer to a question is "Just use Google". Telling someone to fiddle around with, fix, lubricate or otherwise mess with non-existent bearings, particularly within the context of a forum dedicated to the idea of repairing equipment, is pretty much the equivalent of telling me to go use Google.

So I think my comment was thoroughly, 100% appropriate, and besides that it was really funny. Don't like it? Too bad. Have an avatar that shows giving the middle finger and then post flippant "answers" that really have nothing to do with the thread, and ALSO indicate almost no effort was expended on even finding out what the question was, and THAT is the type of answer you will get. Also excessive tattoos and piercings will cause you to fail at job interviews. People judge you by what you present. You can't blame others for that, nor hold them accountable and responsible for decisions that you have made. That's the entire foundation of the "victim mentality" and that is why the United States is tottering on the brink of bankruptcy and civil war, and it's time for people to start telling these sub-standard performers the truth.

And here it is.




I have a better idea. Why don't you have a general conversation about what "Whirlpool" has done in someone else's thread? What *I* see is that Whirlpool has played 3-card Monte with part numbers so that the motor that sells for a current model has one connector, and one part number and sells for $15.00, and the exact same motor that sells for an "old" model has a different connector, a different part number, and sells for $115.

And then there's you, not being helpful, or informative on either of those two subjects, and only ONE of them is on-topic.



I have no idea what a "sintered" bearing is, what a "c-frame" motor is, and I didn't see any "spring" anywhere, and I get the general impression that you are talking about something else, and not the motor in question. Did YOU use "Google". A simple search of the part number shows lots and lots of pitchers, and the words around them are REAL SHORT too.

And I'll tell you something else. I'm not fussing around with that stupid assembly while an entire freezer full of food is melting. I'm buying a replacement motor, and when it arrives I'm going to spend about 15 minutes pulling the old one, and installing the new one, and I'm not going to give it a 2nd thought afterwards.



"If"? Again with the Google search. Here, let me help:

http://images.lmgtfy.com/?q=C8891605

I find it quite retarded that on a forum dedicated to the repair of things, a senior member castigates the OP for failing to do some unknown, unknowable and invisible research, who doesn't also do that research, and then people later on follow that bad example and also make comments without doing even the most basic level of research.



Thanks I appreciate the intent but there's a s**t-ton of these motors out there and there's no point in taking time driving around and digging around some crusty-old fart's trashpile looking for a used, and possibly bad, motor that, with just a tiny bit of help (such as finding a reference that crosses my original part number to a motor that costs $15.00 delivered on eBay) I can solve my own problem. I just need someone that 1) Actually wants to help and 2) Has that "magic something" that I don't.

Today's research shows this:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...10168&_sacat=0

And this is a typical example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WR60X10168-f...UAAOSw~oFXLOPT

Does the motor part (excluding the connector) equal C8891605?

And, as an aside, as a short-term fix I sprayed WD-40 into both end thingies, and packed some lithium grease. Also cleaned the black crud around the spinning thing and put on a layer of lithium grease on both the spinning thing and the cylinder part it spins inside of. It runs quieter now, but from what I've read lubricating them is a short term fix and the only way to get any real life out of the motor is to replace it.

[keeney123]

Re: Need Source for Refrigerator Motor

what a way to get help from forum members.learn something new every day..
anyway its a dirt common shaded pole motor.
a few measurements an look around ebay,surplus sites,or gasp junk fans/heaters.

Electronics/ Electricals is a very complicated field and requires a lot of patience. If you do not have the patience then it is best to buy the $120 manufacturers motor. These Technicians and Engineers that give free information on this site are for the most part very good. There are all levels of expertise. As my Dad use to say, " You learn every day of your life until they shovel dirt in your face." Sorry kc8adu;704972 this is meant for Used_Cars