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  • budm
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    • Feb 2010
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    #1

    Good cap for long term power supply

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  • mockingbird
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    • Dec 2008
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    #2
    Re: Good cap for long term power supply

    Now that we have tantalum, aluminum polymer, and niobium oxide caps with relatively high values, why not design a PSU that uses them in the secondary? Coupled with other really high quality components, I reckon the PSU could last for 100 years.

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    • mariushm
      Badcaps Legend
      • May 2011
      • 3799

      #3
      Re: Good cap for long term power supply

      Not sure how useful these would be for computer power supplies.
      Computers don't use 500kHz frequencies now and don't have room to fit 20uF worth of capacitance in a DIP14 package (actually no, looks like the low voltage ones are either 5 or 9 individual caps in a DIP style package).
      Last edited by mariushm; 07-11-2013, 08:30 PM.

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      • mockingbird
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        • Dec 2008
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        #4
        Re: Good cap for long term power supply

        I've got some ultra-low ESR tantalum and organic aluminum (Not radial polymer caps you might be thinking of, they look exactly like other SMD tantalum caps but it's aluminum instead) with really high values... (4V 270uF and 2.5V 470uF). You're right about the higher voltage ones though, they tend to have lower values because of size restrictions.

        Keep in mind that PSUs only use 3.3V, 5V, and 12V for the output rails. In theory, a relatively expensive but super-reliable sub-$500 PSU could be manufactured. If there's a market for a product like that or not is a different story. Would be an interesting experiment though, attach leads to SMD tantalums and see if it's plausible at all.

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        • ben7
          Capaholic
          • Jan 2011
          • 4059
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Good cap for long term power supply

          Tantalums don't have an extremely good lifespan, they are very sensitive to heat, and they usually catch fire when they fail!
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          • tom66
            EVs Rule
            • Apr 2011
            • 32560
            • UK

            #6
            Re: Good cap for long term power supply

            It would be practical to make a power supply using only ceramic or tantalum capacitors, but it would cost a lot more. For which you could simply use more electrolytics which would get you more hours per buck spent. The only reason you'd presently use ceramic/tantalum on a power supply output would be if size is critical.
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            • PeteS in CA
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              • Aug 2005
              • 3581
              • USA, Unsure of Planet

              #7
              Re: Good cap for long term power supply

              I love tantalum capacitors ... far away from anything I work on. They have some desirable characteristics ... but have the nasty characteristic of catching fire with certain kinds of failures. I've had PCBs damaged beyond repair by the things! I dislike tantalum and loath large form-factor SMT monolythic ceramics. The latter are such an ongoing pain that I call them "evil". Recently had a cracked 10KV MLCC in the compensation for a 4KV main O/P cause interesting driftiness.
              PeteS in CA

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              • ben7
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                • Jan 2011
                • 4059
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Good cap for long term power supply

                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                They have some desirable characteristics ... but have the nasty characteristic of catching fire with certain kinds of failures. I've had PCBs damaged beyond repair by the things!
                Had the same failures here, and seen the same outcomes...
                Muh-soggy-knee

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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: Good cap for long term power supply

                  My latest work project has 8 large format tantalums on it. Policy is in that case to have a fused power source (in this case a 1.6A fuse for 3xAA NiMH in series) because they've had too many issues with them shorting and burning up.
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                  • PeteS in CA
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                    • Aug 2005
                    • 3581
                    • USA, Unsure of Planet

                    #10
                    Re: Good cap for long term power supply

                    Back in the late 90s Sun Microsystems banned using tantalum caps in their products.
                    PeteS in CA

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