The "leaked" Windows 11

[ratdude747]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

Unless things change significantly between now and release (or after release if they don't get the adoption rate they want), it looks like Windows 11 is only going to be for new or relatively new hardware, based on the hardware requirements Microsoft released. It looks like it is going to require an 8th gen or newer intel "i" series (or their pentium/celeron varrients) or the AMD equivalent (Ryzen, Threadripper, etc.), a Direct X12 video card (easy upgrade for a desktop, but not so much for a laptop or SFF/all in one), and a TPM (trusted platform module) 2.0 or newer, which is going to rule out allot of existing hardware.



https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...1-requirements

Windows 11 supported Intel CPUs:https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Windows 11 supported AMD CPUs:https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors

It also looks like the "home" version will not work without a microsoft account (not sure if you'll still be able to "cheat" on this like Win 10 by installing without a network connection though).

I guess I'm out then... Heck, not even my work laptop is new enough (i7-6600U) . Or the gaming system I bought/built for my dad a few months ago (Ryzen 5 1600). Gotta loved planned obsolescence...

[dmill89]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

Unless things change significantly between now and release (or after release if they don't get the adoption rate they want), it looks like Windows 11 is only going to be for new or relatively new hardware, based on the hardware requirements Microsoft released. It looks like it is going to require an 8th gen or newer intel "i" series (or their pentium/celeron varrients) or the AMD equivalent (Ryzen, Threadripper, etc.), a Direct X12 video card (easy upgrade for a desktop, but not so much for a laptop or SFF/all in one), and a TPM (trusted platform module) 2.0 or newer, which is going to rule out allot of existing hardware.

Hardware requirements
To install or upgrade to Windows 11, devices must meet the following minimum hardware requirements:

-Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with two or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or system on a chip (SoC). Compatible CPU list

-RAM: 4 gigabytes (GB) or greater.

-Storage: 64 GB* or greater available storage is required to install Windows 11.

-Additional storage space might be required to download updates and enable specific features.

-Graphics card: Compatible with DirectX 12 or later, with a WDDM 2.0 driver.

-System firmware: UEFI, Secure Boot capable.

-TPM: Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0.

-Display: High definition (720p) display, 9" or greater monitor, 8 bits per color channel.

-Internet connection: Internet connectivity is necessary to perform updates, and to download and use some features.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...1-requirements

Windows 11 supported Intel CPUs:https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Windows 11 supported AMD CPUs:https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors


If these requirements hold true Microsoft is going to be making a ton of relatively recent hardware obsolete (at least if you want to stick with Windows).



It also looks like the "home" version will not work without a microsoft account (not sure if you'll still be able to "cheat" on this like Win 10 by installing without a network connection though).

Windows 11 Home edition requires an Internet connection and a Microsoft Account to complete device setup on first use.

[Uranium-235]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

If you turn off fast startup, those times will match.

Yup. I don't care. Unless I see an issue I'll leave it on

[lti]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

Windows 10 starts crazy fast for me from a shutdown due to UEFI. Restarts are different. That is closest to your real boot time

If you turn off fast startup, those times will match.

[Uranium-235]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

On Lubuntu, I'm not treated like an idiot. I get hibernate, leave, logout, reboot, shutdown and suspend as options. So if I want hibernate or suspend, I can choose that, but I usually always want my systems to be properly shutdown so the file system is not corrupted.

And Windows 10 would start a lot faster if didn't load all those services and apps that I never need or use. I estimate that 80% could removed and still function fine for most users who use Windows 10 + a browser for 95% of their time.

In Lubuntu, I can permanently remove services and daemons just once and not worry about them being reinstalled without my permission. Removing these also reduces my surface attack vector and lowers my DRAM usage and improves overall stability.

Windows 10 starts crazy fast for me from a shutdown due to UEFI. Restarts are different. That is closest to your real boot time

W10 runs pretty fast on anything with an SSD. It's the main bottleneck. With NVMe becoming more prevalent, default bloatware makes less difference.

I remember when Vista came out with required specs that were fake, because hardware wasn't really ready to go from XP to such a redone OS

Hardware prices and capabilities caught up. Now windows 10 from a default install is lightning fast on an i3 10100 with 8gb of ram and a Samsung Evo plus (system I built recently)

I think 10 and 11 will likely stay about the same with resources and hardware will just get faster and cheaper that blazing fast computers don't really require much

[TechGeek]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

Microsoft knows they're losing ground. Just look at the package manager feature they just put into W10. Yea, like that's gonna win back users. You've got a LOT more to fix before I even THINK about reinstalling your malware on my main computer.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

If you don't like it, some troll will call you a Luddite. You have to embrace change, even when it's objectively bad.

Sounds like what some companies, who bow to a dictator or a dictator-wannabe, will tell you!

[retiredcaps]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

I haven't tested it yet, but I wonder if that's the "fast start" thing where Windows closes all running programs and hibernates instead of shutting down. When Windows hibernates, the display immediately turns off.

On Lubuntu, I'm not treated like an idiot. I get hibernate, leave, logout, reboot, shutdown and suspend as options. So if I want hibernate or suspend, I can choose that, but I usually always want my systems to be properly shutdown so the file system is not corrupted.

And Windows 10 would start a lot faster if didn't load all those services and apps that I never need or use. I estimate that 80% could removed and still function fine for most users who use Windows 10 + a browser for 95% of their time.

In Lubuntu, I can permanently remove services and daemons just once and not worry about them being reinstalled without my permission. Removing these also reduces my surface attack vector and lowers my DRAM usage and improves overall stability.

[lti]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

I saw this a while back:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/25/2...d-2021-keynote

(It's a really shitty website, but the original source is a 20-minute video with too many buzzwords for me to handle)

Soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I’ve been self-hosting it over the past several months, and I’m incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.

It sounds like marketing speak for putting ads in the OS. "Just a second, don't worry, Solidworks will start after this totally lit bro message that do be fire!" (Why do messages in Microsoft software read like some teenager's social media posts? Who wants that? Why do they have to write everything like someone who got the "we need more art in school" education?)

https://youtu.be/NeibenDT0Ho

It's funny when the installer says that you'll have full control over your device (at around 1:45 in that video). If you change a Windows setting in Windows 10, it will randomly reset back to the default. Also, if you uninstall one of the bundled programs, it will reinstall itself at some random time in the future. Strangely, I haven't heard of anyone else complaining about that. My laptop just reinstalled the Dolby audio raping software, and this version of it doesn't allow you to disable the "enhancements." I don't have a USB DAC, but I get the feeling that the "enhancements" will also affect them.

What about working on real features like making the new OS less fat, less bloatware, less spyware, less DRAM and disk space usage, making it boot faster on mechanical hard drives (especially 5400 rpm laptops) vs making people buy SSDs, supporting existing and older peripherals so that manufactures don't need new Windows 11 drivers.

They won't listen (especially the "less spyware" part - everything spies on you, and the average person loves it because they can control their kitchen faucet from their phone instead of reaching over and moving the handle). If you don't like it, some troll will call you a Luddite. You have to embrace change, even when it's objectively bad.

How about fixing STUPID UI behaviours like the following. I noticed in Windows 10 that when you click shutdown, the LCD display goes off, but you can hear the mechanical hard drive still spinning for maybe up to 10 seconds before it quits.

So I'm if watching my lcd monitor going into standby mode and hit my power bar off switch, I am forcing Windows 10 off when it's still writing to the hard drive and possibly corrupting the file system. How, the hell, after 25+ years of Windows that they can't get this UI right?

I noticed that too. I haven't tested it yet, but I wonder if that's the "fast start" thing where Windows closes all running programs and hibernates instead of shutting down. When Windows hibernates, the display immediately turns off.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

It's expected to get taken down, for being a leak. Lumen shows a copyright infringement complaint. Rightly.

[retiredcaps]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

25+ year of Windows and all that 6 figure $oftware developer$ working at a Trillion dollar company and they spend time working on "rounded corners"????

What about working on real features like making the new OS less fat, less bloatware, less spyware, less DRAM and disk space usage, making it boot faster on mechanical hard drives (especially 5400 rpm laptops) vs making people buy SSDs, supporting existing and older peripherals so that manufactures don't need new Windows 11 drivers.

How about fixing STUPID UI behaviours like the following. I noticed in Windows 10 that when you click shutdown, the LCD display goes off, but you can hear the mechanical hard drive still spinning for maybe up to 10 seconds before it quits.

So I'm if watching my lcd monitor going into standby mode and hit my power bar off switch, I am forcing Windows 10 off when it's still writing to the hard drive and possibly corrupting the file system. How, the hell, after 25+ years of Windows that they can't get this UI right?

While running Lubuntu on the same hardware, when I click shutdown, it shows the Lubuntu logo plus some blue dots doing animation. Once the blue dots stops, the lcd monitor goes off and the hard drive stops spinning at the same time meaning it's safe to shutdown without fear of corrupting your drive unlike Windows 10.

I'll be using Lubuntu 22.04 in April 2022 and Lubuntu 24.04 in April 2024. I left the Windows world in April 2014 after XP support ended and haven't regretted it since.

[diif]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

More info on The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/...eak_microsoft/

[Uranium-235]

Re: The "leaked" Windows 11

It's real

[Topcat]

Real? Fake? Intentional? Unintentional?

https://youtu.be/NeibenDT0Ho

lengthy:
https://youtu.be/WSNN7jal5lI