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  • ratdude747
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    Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

    Possible new build time....

    Main Rig V6 is built and running, and I have some leftover hardware when V5.2 was gutted to make V6:
    • Two 3Ghz Quad core Harpertown Xeons
    • Dynatron coolers for ^
    • 32GB of DDR2 FB-Dimms
    • An adaptec UIO SAS card
    • an unreliable supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard


    Topcat, lately my main source of workstation build inspiration, suggested I look at these:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Micro...torefresh=true

    Compared to the X7DWA-N that I can't find a replacement for, that's pretty cheap! What the hell, I tossed in an offer... even for $50, that's hard to pass up. Sure I only get 6 RAM slots (24GB limit, which I would max out with what I have), but that's not a huge loss. UIO slot too, so I can reuse my SAS card!

    However, I am missing some required parts for this... mainly HDDs, and Case/PSU. And backplates, since these normally are made for SM cases with standoffs and holes for the coolers. Although whatever this goes it can probably be transfer punched and drilled to accept standoffs (with nuts or screws from behind the motherboard tray).

    I really don't know where to go with this... whatever I do, it will need very good cooling for the wickedly hot FBDIMMS.

    One idea is to find an OEM ATX case of some sort, throw in an appropriately beefy PSU, and make a sleeper. If it cooled better (and wasn't trashed), My dad's old HP D530 case would fit the bill. Being an ATX board, I have more options than my usual EATX builds.

    Another option is supermicro ATX cases, which do exist. Not "different" compared to my other builds, but an option nevertheless.

    Also, I don't have a GPU for it, but if I ever SLI V6, I'll have to get different GPUs for it, so that Zotac GTX 970 might be available.

    All suggestions are welcome, please don't be butthurt if I raise questions or have concerns.
    Last edited by ratdude747; 10-28-2017, 04:13 PM.
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  • Topcat
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    #2
    Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

    Originally posted by ratdude747
    Possible new build time....

    Main Rig V6 is built and running, and I have some leftover hardware when V5.2 was gutted to make V6:
    • Two 3Ghz Quad core Harpertown Xeons
    • Dynatron coolers for ^
    • 32GB of DDR2 FB-Dimms
    • An adaptec UIO SAS card
    • an unreliable supermicro X7DWA-N motherboard


    Topcat, lately my main source of workstation build inspiration, suggested I look at these:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Micro...torefresh=true
    My 'supermicro tree' gave me one of those. They do not support 1600FSB. 1333FSB is the max. The Dolby thingamajig also has one. The dobly came with a pair of 3000/1333 CPU's, and for the other one I managed to score a cheap pair of 3.33/1333 for it....I did try a pair of e5472's (3000/1600) in it, and no-go. The chipset is said to support it (greencreek IIRC), but they don't....and SM's site says 1333FSB is the max. The X7DWA is the Seaburg chipset. Both of mine have the latest BIOS.
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    • ratdude747
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      Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

      Originally posted by Topcat
      My 'supermicro tree' gave me one of those. They do not support 1600FSB. 1333FSB is the max. The Dolby thingamajig also has one. The dobly came with a pair of 3000/1333 CPU's, and for the other one I managed to score a cheap pair of 3.33/1333 for it....I did try a pair of e5472's (3000/1600) in it, and no-go. The chipset is said to support it (greencreek IIRC), but they don't....and SM's site says 1333FSB is the max. The X7DWA is the Seaburg chipset. Both of mine have the latest BIOS.
      Well, I'll retract my offer then. Too much expense when CPUs are added. Said it would run quad core harpertowns, but obviously not mine (E5472, 1600FSB).

      Damn.

      Edit- The X7DWE is the seaburg version. No 16x PCIe though... So X7DWA-N or go home for this hardware (unless I ditched the SAS card and rebuilt a dell precision or HP something... )

      OT: apparently SM makes Dual-CPU micro ATX boards: http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...00/X7DCA-L.cfm

      Hell of a sleeper there, too bad no 1600 (seaburg only )... actually the only common thing is the coolers (I do have a spare set of 771 tall coolers, another project idea!)
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      • ratdude747
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        Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

        Never mind on the micro ATX wonder... Cheapest I've found costs more than I'd want to spend and is a audio-less version:

        https://www.ebay.com/itm/1PC-Supermi...EAAOSwx2dYGG38

        But hey, if I found one cheap, I could toss it in some cheap ass acer/compaq/other cheap OEM case and make the ultimate sleeper. Regular non-FB DDR2 doesn't run too hot, and with a 16x slot one could really go crazy.
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        • Topcat
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          #5
          Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

          Originally posted by ratdude747
          OT: apparently SM makes Dual-CPU micro ATX boards: http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...00/X7DCA-L.cfm

          Hell of a sleeper there, too bad no 1600 (seaburg only )... actually the only common thing is the coolers (I do have a spare set of 771 tall coolers, another project idea!)
          https://www.ebay.com/itm/272434058025

          Interesting little board there....I've got an old Asus P4-era minitower (model VINTAGE-S800) that it would fit nicely in. Talk about a sleeper!
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          • ratdude747
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            Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

            ^see my last post
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            • Topcat
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              For shits & grins, I threw them a lowball offer for one.
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              • ratdude747
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                Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                Originally posted by Topcat
                For shits & grins, I threw them a lowball offer for one.
                Go for it. For once the inspiration will flow the other way *

                *- Ok, not really, dremel'd I/O shields and UIO SAS cards are ideas of mine you've used. Still, I have to point it out...
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                • Topcat
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                  Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                  Originally posted by ratdude747
                  Go for it. For once the inspiration will flow the other way *

                  *- Ok, not really, dremel'd I/O shields and UIO SAS cards are ideas of mine you've used. Still, I have to point it out...
                  I've been dremeling IO shields & cases since back in the 90's....but the UIO card is an original for you. I didn't know (or even research) what that goofy slot was even for. ...and you'll even get credit for this one, I never knew this little critter existed.

                  What really piqued my interest with this board was it not requiring fully buffered memory (reduces both power loads & heat dissipation). Surprisingly, that little Asus case breathes very well, but looking inside it, some modifications would be required....now we're talking fun! I've got plenty of hardware of this era to get rid of (CPU's and memory)....what better way!
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                  • ratdude747
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                    Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                    Originally posted by Topcat
                    I've been dremeling IO shields & cases since back in the 90's....but the UIO card is an original for you. I didn't know (or even research) what that goofy slot was even for. ...and you'll even get credit for this one, I never knew this little critter existed.

                    What really piqued my interest with this board was it not requiring fully buffered memory (reduces both power loads & heat dissipation). Surprisingly, that little Asus case breathes very well, but looking inside it, some modifications would be required....now we're talking fun! I've got plenty of hardware of this era to get rid of (CPU's and memory)....what better way!
                    Shame it's the version without onboard audio... When you only get 4 slots, that kinda sucks.

                    You're right on the I/O shield, I just got my name attached to it later at least in a few mentions.
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                    • Topcat
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                      Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                      Originally posted by ratdude747
                      Shame it's the version without onboard audio... When you only get 4 slots, that kinda sucks.

                      You're right on the I/O shield, I just got my name attached to it later at least in a few mentions.
                      Yes, I remember 'ratduding' an IO shield for some other build...yea, it stuck.

                      I saw that...but for a build like this, I'd use all the onboard IO stuff with an SSD most likely. GPU and audio card would be all. Wouldn't really be a problem...but yea, would have rather had the onboard.
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                      • ratdude747
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                        Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                        Originally posted by Topcat
                        Yes, I remember 'ratduding' an IO shield for some other build...yea, it stuck.

                        I saw that...but for a build like this, I'd use all the onboard IO stuff with an SSD most likely. GPU and audio card would be all. Wouldn't really be a problem...but yea, would have rather had the onboard.
                        I see.

                        If you don't want to use up dynatrons, I have a pair of barely used supermicro 771 coolers you can have if this project becomes a thing. They are the original tall ones for V5.0 that were swapped for 2U dyantrons to accommodate the fan duct of my case. More role reversal for ya
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                        • Topcat
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                          Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                          memory is certainly cheap enough for it.... can max it out for ~54 bucks if I couldn't get the price down....but I bet I could!

                          https://www.ebay.com/itm/282705620925

                          all hinging on the lowball offer on the motherboard.

                          Do those SM heatsinks have fans on them?
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                            Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                            Originally posted by Topcat
                            memory is certainly cheap enough for it.... can max it out for ~54 bucks if I couldn't get the price down....but I bet I could!

                            https://www.ebay.com/itm/282705620925

                            all hinging on the lowball offer on the motherboard.

                            Do those SM heatsinks have fans on them?
                            Yes they do.

                            https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16816101288

                            That RAM is dirt cheap. I obtained 16Gb for $30 or so for V4.1, same stuff. I also have 8GB of it sitting, although I'm sure you do too
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                            • Topcat
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                              Originally posted by ratdude747
                              Yea, I'll take those....even if this one doesn't come through, i've got another I could use them on.
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                                Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                                Originally posted by Topcat
                                Yea, I'll take those....even if this one doesn't come through, i've got another I could use them on.
                                More use than I have...
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                                • Topcat
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                                  Originally posted by ratdude747
                                  More use than I have...
                                  Cool...send 'em my way then. They'll have a home.

                                  No response from the seller...I guess I offended them.
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                                    Re: Ratdude's Main Rig V5.5???

                                    I found one cheap (x7dca)....and was given a good sleeper-like case to put it in...
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                                      Originally posted by Topcat
                                      I found one cheap (x7dca)....and was given a good sleeper-like case to put it in...
                                      Sweet. I'll have my wife mail you some copper.
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