CDs make me sick

[Shocker]

Re: CDs make me sick

Now that I think about it...

In my opinion, the only thing that makes a CD more likely to survive a drop than a (3.5") HDD is weight. Because the HDD is heavier it will fall faster and hit harder. I think if you drop identical objects ONTO the storage medium, a HDD will more likely survive than a CD.

Smaller HDDs are lighter, and they adopted load/unload ramps before most desktop drives did. But that didn't stop people from breaking 1" Microdrives. (To be fair, though, they did have to squeeze the whole HDD, including PCB, into a 5mm thick form. This makes the fragile components even more fragile.)

The smaller drives also use glass platters, which obviously can shatter from extreme shock, rendering the data unrecoverable. But then again, you can make CDs unrecoverable simply by scratching the label side.

(I'm talking about stopped HDDs, of course. You can quite easily render data unrecoverable with shock applied to the spinning HDD, resulting in a head crash. But as long as the HDD is off, short of shattered platters, you can at least send it to a data recovery company, though that won't be cheap.)

(I know the IBM 75GXP also had glass platters and load/unload ramps, but it shouldn't even be used as an example. )

[momaka]

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Who makes the cheap Sony branded discs? Those are the only discs that I can find locally.

Install ImgBurn. Open it, and click on "Write Image File to Disc". Look on the side where it displays all of the info. It should be there.

RiTek seem to be okay.

Agreed. I had a 100-pack spindle of those TDK Certified Plus CD-Rs (RDF80M) I mentioned above - now only 10 or so blank ones remaining. The rest I have burned. I don't think I've ever had a coaster with one of them. I've used them on numerous burners, too. Still holding their data fine after 8 years or so now. No CRCs or anything like that when trying to read them. Even some of my picky CD-ROM drives that won't read other burned media will read these.

[Rulycat]

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RiTek seem to be okay. They're in most things these days. The G05 die had problems because of the firmware of burners but I've not had any bad ones.

[ant3202]

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Who makes the cheap Sony branded discs? Those are the only discs that I can find locally.

if from india, high possibility is from moser baer

[lti]

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Who makes the cheap Sony branded discs? Those are the only discs that I can find locally.

[goodpsusearch]

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Taiyo Yuden = the best

Mitsubishi Chemical Corp = very good quality

Sony Corp = high quality but good luck finding them

[momaka]

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I've been using Memorex CDRs and Memorex DVDRs lately. Not a single bad burn, using either Toast, Nero, or PowerISO's default settings And that's on a wide variety of burners of various ages in various laptops and desktops...
My friend buys TDK at Costco and those seem perfectly reliable as well...
I don't know who actually made them, but they work, so I don't care!

Really the only media I've had issues with were HP-branded. About half of them turned into coasters!

Going through my stack of different CD's, let's see what I have here...

TDK Certified Plus CD-R 700 MB, 48X ---> made by RiTek (RiTek RFD80M)
Verbatim CD-R 700 MB, 52X ---> RiTek RFD80M again
Memorex CD-R 700 MB, 52X ---> RiTek RFD80M again
SkyPro Neon CD-R 700 MB, 52x ---> RiTek RFD80M again

See the pattern now???
There's only a handful of big manufacturers who make your optical media (small no-name ones aside).

Now let's continue...
a different Memorex CD-R 700 MB, 52x ---> CMC Magnetics Corp.
Fujifilm (says Made in Japan on it) 700 MB, ---> Taiyo Yuden Co.
Maxell CD-R Music 700 MB ---> Taiyo Yuden Co. again
very old Sony CD-R 700 MB, 1-32X ---> Sony Corp.
Verbatim DataLifePlus CD-R 700 MB, 1-32X ---> Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
RiData CD-R 700 MB 40X (looks like a very cheap CD - you know, the ones with no label that look exactly the same on both sizes) ---> Digital Storage Technology Co.

So as you can see folks, the brand on the box has nothing to do with the manufacturer (except for that one old Sony).

[Topcat]

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FWIW, I have some backup CD's I made 15 years ago that are all scratched to hell....low & behold, they read without any issues.

[ratdude747]

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And the company making them now is none other than HongKongFlyApart® Co, LLC.

Careful...

[Shocker]

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Kodak used to be top quality but they don't make their own discs anymore.

And the company making them now is none other than HongKongFlyApart® Co, LLC.

Went through the whole spindle and 0 luck.

Got a not-so-new TDK DVD-R (the same type I used for Ophcrack), burned XP to that and it worked fine the first time.

[lti]

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I don't like having to replace optical drives constantly. I replace more optical drives than any other part of a computer.

[shovenose]

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I've been using Memorex CDRs and Memorex DVDRs lately. Not a single bad burn, using either Toast, Nero, or PowerISO's default settings And that's on a wide variety of burners of various ages in various laptops and desktops...
My friend buys TDK at Costco and those seem perfectly reliable as well...
I don't know who actually made them, but they work, so I don't care!

Really the only media I've had issues with were HP-branded. About half of them turned into coasters!

[ratdude747]

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find an OEM disc of any SP, make a .iso of it (or get an untouched uncracked/hacked torrent) and slipstream sp3 onto it. I created an sp3 pro disk that uses pre-sp2 OEM codes that way using an xp pro sp0 OEM torrent (I also added a required RAID driver while I was at it).

[Shocker]

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I was after XP Home SP3.

First I tried a retail copy, which didn't work at all.

I'm currently downloading an OEM copy. Hope this one works okay.

Regarding the discs themselves, you basically can't get high quality CD-Rs these days. Most people want CHEAP, and the only way to get that is by sacrificing quality. Kodak used to be top quality but they don't make their own discs anymore.

Earlier on I ended up using a DVD-R for Ophcrack as I didn't have a CD-R at the time. So far as I know, it still works fine. DVDs have the data layer in the middle rather than on top, which makes them harder to completely wreck. I'm guessing they're also higher quality than CD-Rs.

[Fud]

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I had a spindle of TDK go bad on me the cdr when only a thirrd were used. It was making one coaster after another and i thought maybe my burner was messed up. So i put in DRdr and it worked perfectly fine. So they went bad with age or some thing just sitting around or indirect sunlight.

Don't really understand how since they were just sitting there. Meanwhile my music cd's sitting in a very hot truck for years and years still work perfectly.

[Agent24]

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Better watch out it doesn't contain viruses...

[Shocker]

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Just for the record, I ended up downloading a pirated copy of XP as a result of this mess.

[Rulycat]

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I have found with my SONY DVD Writer, generic media (Tesco) likes to be burned at 16x for CDs (8x is less reliable) and 8x for DVDs to be most reliable. Too slow is as bad as too fast. Ritek G05 dye is good, but you need to make sure the firmware is right because drives with old firmware had the discs fail weeks after burning with dye problems.

[Agent24]

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No, it's due to quality control or simply because you bought some "grade b" discs.
It's hard to tell, often a manufacturer will "outsource" some of their discs to third party companies.

Anyway... your discs didn't fail because you burned them at 48x like i said... the burner actually won't burn them at 48x or the 48x is achieved only on the last 50-100 MB of the disc in the case of CD-R.

I know how it works, I was being sarcastic... the discs were cheap junk.

All I'm saying about slow burning speeds is based on my experience which is this:

Mitsubish AZO (and other half-decent media) burnt at any speed, 4x- 52x all worked fine.

Cheap generic brands: work at 4x-24x, higher than that, sometimes resulted in errors when reading.

Typically I don't go above 12x on anything anymore. I also suit the drive to the disk. I prefer to burn CDs with a CD-RW drive and DVD with a DVD-\+RW drive. I try not to burn CDs in DVD-\+RW or CD-RW\DVD-ROM drives.

I have noticed that DVD drives seem more optimised for DVD media and don't seem to support CDs as much.

[goodpsusearch]

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I write CDs at 16X and DVDs at 6X-8X.