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  • Mad_Professor
    A Mech Warrior
    • Feb 2011
    • 1587

    #1

    Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

    I haven't worked on an ATX PSU before only LCD PSU and motherboards.

    So my dad brought an E-machine in for repair, I don't know what the complaint was, but I figured it out real quick.

    I was in the kitchen at the time and my dad plugged it in and all the lights in the house started flickering, and I heard battery backups in two different rooms kick off. I thought we were having another rolling brown out. It stopped and I walk out in the living room and ask my dad if he saw what I saw. He said it came from the machine he plugged in and that he unplugged it immediately.

    I was intrigued and look at that back and went down to smell it to see if it had gone bad or something. But noticed the receptacle on the back of it was damaged. I asked him if he felt a tingling sensation or shock when touching the case or when he plugged it in he said no.

    I plugged it back in, no flickering of lights or battery backup kicking off, and I powered on the computer and it works fine.

    My first thought was why didn't the breaker trip?
    My second thought was what would cause this?

    I have AFCI combo breakers in my panel so it should have tripped if there was a fault of some sort. I push the test function on each of them and they work fine. About two weeks ago the same circuit that this computer was plugged into tripped due to bad extension cord, replaced the cord and everything was fine. So I know AFCI is working normally.

    I was curious, I opened the PSU and inspect the damaged area and noticed 2 polyfilm caps grounded!? one on hot and one on neutral.

    What purpose does this serve?

    It's an FSP GROUP ATX-250PA.

    P.S: I plan on repairing this, flattening out the case and salvaging receptacle from one of the scraps I have here.

    *I may not, it's only 250W and has alot of capxon caps in it.
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  • mariushm
    Badcaps Legend
    • May 2011
    • 3799

    #2
    Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

    http://my.execpc.com/~endlr/line-filter.html

    http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...Supplies/327/4

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3265

    They're Y capacitors... along with x capacitors (the yellow square ones) are protections against surges, loss of grounding, radio interference and emmisions and so on.

    Class Y capacitors are for applications where failure could lead to electric shock if the ground connection were lost. This includes hot/neutral to ground, and antenna isolation capacitors. Because Y capacitors shunt current to ground, leakage-current limitations limit their size to a maximum of about 4700 pF in many commercial and industrial applications (but refer to the relevant standard for definite information) and about 470 pF in medical applications.Cappic Larger ones are available however. Y caps are available from 1000 pF to 0.1 uF and are made in both film and ceramic.
    Post pics of the whole psu, someone may be able to give you a hint on what may be wrong with it.
    Last edited by mariushm; 01-08-2012, 09:20 PM.

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    • Scenic
      o.O
      • Sep 2007
      • 2642
      • Germany

      #3
      Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

      Who the hell put the power cord in there..? Hulk Hogan?! Schwarzenegger?!?

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      • shovenose
        Send Doge Memes
        • Aug 2010
        • 6575
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

        That happens when the PC is laid on the back side while the power is plugged in usually...

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        • Mad_Professor
          A Mech Warrior
          • Feb 2011
          • 1587

          #5
          Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

          Originally posted by Scenic
          Who the hell put the power cord in there..? Hulk Hogan?! Schwarzenegger?!?
          Originally posted by shovenose
          That happens when the PC is laid on the back side while the power is plugged in usually...
          From what I understand the computer was push off the back and landed on it's backside.

          Anyways made an attempt to replace damaged receptacle and failed. Wires fed through a hole and wrapped along with caps and solder on. I had to clip them off.

          Inorder to fix it I need two new caps since I don't have any leads on it.

          I can't find any info on them

          SEC
          221k SB
          250V-Y2
          9D C

          Also I'll need a fresh receptacle anyone know what these things on the back of the PSU are called?

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          • demonic47
            New Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 3

            #6
            Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

            You should be able to use standard 222s for the caps the plug is a power pcb panel socket 9-b you can get 6 on ebay for 9.95

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            • Mad_Professor
              A Mech Warrior
              • Feb 2011
              • 1587

              #7
              Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

              I was digging through my junk pile when I came across a case that has a receptacle but also has the Y Caps but also the X Cap.

              The rating on them are
              Y Caps

              CD102M
              BS415
              T4KV
              250V

              X Cap

              .33k 275V~X2
              GMF MPX JEFU


              The X Cap on FSP

              .22k275v~X2
              CARLI MPX40/100/21
              250V

              Can this be use as a drop in replacement, all I have to do is solder the wires to the PCB and attach the ground to the case.

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              • Th3_uN1Qu3
                Believe in
                • Jul 2010
                • 6031
                • Romania

                #8
                Re: Don't know if this is normal *FSP PSU

                Yes, you can use that receptacle.
                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                A working TV? How boring!

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